Previously I asked what evidence there was to suggest the existence of esoteric forces that influence our world. Some of the answers pointed to trannies/pedos and the power of globohomo as evidence, which I definitely feel is convincingly suggestive of a great force of evil.

I am continuing to use the term suggest instead of prove because I feel it is very unlikely that the existence of supernatural influences will ever be proven.

I would heap onto this category of suggestive evidence the sort of mass stupidity/foolishness that is so omnipresent that you can barely find anyone in the world who isn't victimized by whatever is causing it. More evil.

I often worry that there's more evidence to suggest a great supernatural evil than there is to suggest a great supernatural good.

Call it God, or the Holy Ghost, or whatever. Maybe there is a pagan equivalent but from what I've seen in those traditions things aren't so dualistic. Do you think that exists? What would you point to as evidence that suggests it does?

Can you believe in Satan (or whatever you want to call it) without God? Though initially it's counterintuitive I would like to hear the argument for why you couldn't...

And now I will ping some people who were involved in the previous discussion: @TheodoreKent @NotHereFor @GoyGenius @Timmy @WaWhite13. My limit is 5 pings so sorry if I didn't get you.

edit: And I should've included this originally, but in the previous discussion we settled on a definition of evil (in people), as basically that which contradicts or disrupts a functioning natural order of things.

Previously I asked [what evidence there was to suggest the existence of esoteric forces that influence our world](https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/133266). Some of the answers pointed to trannies/pedos and the power of globohomo as evidence, which I definitely feel is convincingly suggestive of a great force of evil. [I am continuing to use the term suggest instead of prove because I feel it is very unlikely that the existence of supernatural influences will ever be proven.](#spoiler) I would heap onto this category of suggestive evidence the sort of mass stupidity/foolishness that is so omnipresent that you can barely find anyone in the world who isn't victimized by whatever is causing it. More evil. I often worry that there's more evidence to suggest a great supernatural evil than there is to suggest a great supernatural good. Call it God, or the Holy Ghost, or whatever. Maybe there is a pagan equivalent but from what I've seen in those traditions things aren't so dualistic. Do you think that exists? What would you point to as evidence that suggests it does? Can you believe in Satan (or whatever you want to call it) without God? Though initially it's counterintuitive I would like to hear the argument for why you couldn't... And now I will ping some people who were involved in the previous discussion: @TheodoreKent @NotHereFor @GoyGenius @Timmy @WaWhite13. [My limit is 5 pings so sorry if I didn't get you.](#spoiler) edit: And I should've included this originally, but in the previous discussion we settled on a definition of evil (in people), as basically that which contradicts or disrupts a functioning natural order of things.

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All I can tell you is that "chaos" and "order" are actual concepts in physics.

Entrophy and lack of entrophy.

Ordo ab chao

Now you know [their] motto.


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Do they correspond to good and evil?

Nature is an order that has arisen from a chaotic universe. But I don't necessarily see the chaotic universe as evil. Rather, evil is an order that is opposed to nature. At least in humanity, opposed to our connection with nature and the natural propagation of our kind.

Not really no as science doesn't have those concepts. Chaos would correspond roughly to death though and order with life.

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That seems true, except for the way some people live.

It's tempting to say getting buggered and contracting AIDS is not a good example of order in life... but then maybe it's a matter of perspective. It certainly fits into the natural order of the AIDS virus, (though that's technically not alive).

All battles are won or lost inside the human mind.
Many reference the allegory of Mythology representing the human condition.

Good and evil can be seen in this one image!

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/01/fig_3e_Jim_fallon_normal_vs_psychopath_PET_vs_normals_copy_2/1d4ff4ff3.jpg

It's not supernatural. It's psychological and physiological damage that makes these predators what they are. Satan doesn't exist. It's just a part of their power fantasy.

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I would say that my conceptualization of what is evil goes far beyond psychopathy. It is more generally a subversion of natural order -- far more encompassing than just people who kill people willy nilly.

The parents who let their children engage in 'drag kid' performances or start transitioning their son because he 'identified as a girl from age 4' are a good example. Evil, but not psychopathic.

This does not mean the problems are not psychological. However, saying 'it's psychological' implies an underlying assumption that psychological problems and an evil influence are mutually exclusive -- which is something I think you would need to make a case for.

The known tactics of psychopaths, narcissists and pedophiles!

https://files.catbox.moe/87moyx.pdf

They destroy people for narcissistic supply and money. This is the same game that these parents are playing on these trans kids. That's why they kill themselves at such a high rate.

Evil people have destroyed their conscience and their frontal lobes as a consequence. That's why they feel no empathy for their victims.

The whole religion, god, satan topic was created by these monsters as a means of control. Their is no supernatural beings. No God or satan. These people are insane and evil.

That's why the cabal are full of pedophiles that get the black eye of Horus to further destroy their frontal lobes. They think have a conscience is a weakness and limits their power.

When everyone understands this we will be demanding mandatory brain scans for power and influence. This will remove the whole gang of satanists and pedos. The masons will all be gone and won't be able to protect each other from justice.

Please stop believing what these delusional psychopaths made up. Learn the truth and we will be able to end this without the Q larp!


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You know the conversation's getting good when the references to literary works and pre-ethics boards psychological experiments come out!

I am familiar with the Milgram experiment, but will have to add Electronic Sheep to my reading list.

Isn't the most interesting thing about all this evil in the world that it almost invariably claims to be in the name of what is good? Likewise, I think a lot of people (perhaps a majority) would say we are on the side of evil who claim evil is parents enrolling their children in drag shows. Maybe we should take @Colonel_Lingus' suggestion and make everyone get a brain scan. Whoevers' frontal lobes are more damaged has to sudoku.


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As for Occam's razor:

Is it really a simpler argument that our society is being driven insane by the coordinated efforts of a group of psychopaths (who may or may not mostly be members of a tribe that evolved to be that way similar to the way a virus evolves to attack its host)? It's an explanation, for sure, but hardly a simple one.

By contrast, "muh devil" is much simpler. It could still be wrong, but isn't that explanation like the Occam's razor ideal?


Still, I think it is important to consider alternative possibilities.

I supposed another possibility is we're much more sensitive to the seemingly coordinated efforts of an omnipresent evil actor than we are to the omnipresent good actor. Those "possessed" by this evil are more viscerally disgusting than those possessed by good.

On muddling:

If we are to believe in both the evil entity and the good entity, they are probably both acting on the same people at the same time. (Your well meaning boomer uncle who is all about faith and family, but maintains diversity is our strength and "there are only two genders -- people just need to pick one or the other.")

edit: so while I would agree with you that good and evil or muddled in people, that doesn't necessarily disprove any actors that might be the cause of one or the other. There could be The Great Evil possessing people, who resist somewhat and still do some good things. There could be Great Good and Great Evil, or just Great Good (and people with their self-interested nature resist its influence), or no influencers at all.

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I think the force for good has been subverted. That force is Altruism, once we direct it away from those that harm us we will prosper, they will wilt and the subversives will have diminished influence.

"Bad men keep the other bad men from the door." - Rust Cohle

I believe we are all ultimately responsible for our own actions.i paraphrase"one son of an alcoholic father could be asked"why dont you drink? He would reply "I watched my father." His brother if asked why he drinks could reply "I watched my father"". It is my belief that the universal creator is neither evil or good, but has potential of both. I do not believe in chaos only the subjective perspective of it. The inability to see order from a smaller scale. Wars in the middle east seem like chaos on the ground, but to the men funding both sides it is perfect order. Nature creates no waste, therefore no chaos. Only humans created waste. Only we offset the balance. We all wait for that here to save us yet the refusal to abide lies within us all. We just tuck that shit away and ignore it and keep waiting for salvation. However the fat lady has not yet sang. Could that little voice in my head telling me to make a stand not be the good force? Could an action of rebellion not crumble the best laid plans? The elites envision a one world government controlling a world of slaves and rulers. Envision a world of a single unified people and the potential of such. I dont mean a single race of people but of all races unified. Both outcomes are still a potential possibility at the moment. The question is which outcome do we as individuals apply our intent towards. As long as we stand devided we are doomed to become slaves. Unification would require we set aside our petty and I do mean PETTY differences. However the elites have done a good job of teaching us good goyem to think of our superior personal needs and ideals before those of the people. Divided we fall. With all that said, I do find it interesting that the bible talks of a spiritual war of Angel's and demons while ancient histories speak of wars between gods or between aliens or interdimensional beings. Maybe complete bs but I think would be ignorant to simply dismiss. Even if this were the case, in the end the only person we can control is ourselves. I resist because I choose.


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Well put. I suppose the great tranny demonlord Baphomet has put that in our heads as well.

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Saying mosquitos are bad is like saying tigers are bad

They aren't. Bad for what? Bad for who?

Are they evil? Is the tiger inherently evil?

>This human idea of balance is so fucking overrated.

If there were no balance there wouldn't be equilibrium, if there's no equilibrium everything falls appart, if everything falls appart you don't get order

"Mosquitos are bad", give me a fucking break

Remove them entirely from the earth, see what happens, and tell me how bad they were, lol

>This human idea of balance is so fucking overrated.

And what to say about anything starting with "Everyone thinks mosquitos are bad.", hm?

Most retarded assumption ever, that's all there's to say

It's more like harmony flanked by counter balances.

"Good" and "Evil" are archaic frame through which to view the world.
I'm making no excuses for pieces of human garbage that do inhumane things, things that could make any of us fly in to a fit of rage. Instead, I'm suggesting that our fits of rage are the counter balance to the world.

Each of us needs a damsel in distress, a burning building with a screaming infant in it, a cat stuck in a tree, etc.
If those situations never arose, we'd have no heroes.
Instead, the pendulum is in the process of swinging and, like it or not, it's going to slow down eventually.

You don't need a "Good" vs "Bad" frame. Instead, you need one that recognizes that no one has ever gotten what they wanted by taking something, but by giving something.
Do you want more money? You're going to have to trade some time for it.
Do you want that girl? You're going to have to trade some attention for it.
How badly do you want to eat tonight? You're going to have to expend some energy to acquire it.
Do you want to be wealthy? Be prepared to give away a fortune.

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The only real paradigm that exists is freedom vs slavery.
Be aware, without a master, a slave is free and without a slave, a master is also free.

There's a reason we use "right" or "wrong". Like I've told you, words have meaning.
Think of "right" as being accurate and "wrong" as being inaccurate.

I still really enjoy the way you think. You should get back to me on that puzzle I gave you sometime.

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I really enjoy when you share your thoughts. unironically

kek
You can be honest. I know I'm a polarizing dick.

But I'm not here to give anyone what they desire.

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For what it's worth my original comment was going to something about your insufferable personality, but it's better to recognize the good in people every once in a while too.

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Third law of motion suggests so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion#Laws

Law I: Every body persists in its state of being at rest or of moving uniformly straight forward, except insofar as it is compelled to change its state by force impressed.[14][b]

Law II: The alteration of motion is ever proportional to the motive force impress'd; and is made in the direction of the right line in which that force is impress'd.[15][c]

Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts.[d][e]

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If you only have one of the two, you get imbalance, the universe/nature is all about balance, there's no good or bad for planets and stars, however there's gravitational force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics#First_law

The first law of thermodynamics is a version of the law of conservation of energy, adapted for thermodynamic systems.

The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.

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You have light and you have absence of light

You can't have a hole without borders


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This is an argument to answer the question of whether platonic evil can exist without platonic good. What you're arguing is correct, but that is not an answer to the question I'm asking.

I am asking about the forces of evil and forces of good.

We can argue there is evidence to suggest a great evil power. What I am asking is whether there is evidence of a great good power OR if a great good power must exist because a great evil one seems to. We are talking about entities, not concepts.

That evil exists (as a concept) and good is definitionally that which is antithetical to evil is irrelevant.

Good or evil is what you choose to do, first and foremost

Start here before looking elsewhere

The main difference between good and evil ultimately, is that you can choose to stop doing good anytime you want

If there was no force pushing the other way, the force in question would push all the way to the ultimate end of the spectrum.

If the force for good was taken away, the force for evil would immediately push the universe into an absolute entropic state.

Everything is cyclical, like a pendulum. This law is universal. The 2 forces push back and forth against each other.

The further we go into entropy, the more powerful the force for good becomes, but it's effects won't become very apparent until we have some momentum in the other direction.

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How do you deduce this?

Who's to say the force in question (the evil one) desires a completely entropic state. Maybe it simply desires the suffering of the weak at the hands of the strong.