We got into a fight I won't go into the details suffice it to say both of us did a lot to hurt the other.

I have spent 10 days trying to get her to come home. She has made it clear she will never come home.

I know this is airing personal bull shit but if I'm going to quit I guess I thought you guys might want to know why.

She took the kids I am not allowed to see them. I can't keep going without my kids. I can't run this place like that.

Also just for the record Fuck you John you are the worst kind of scum.

We got into a fight I won't go into the details suffice it to say both of us did a lot to hurt the other. I have spent 10 days trying to get her to come home. She has made it clear she will never come home. I know this is airing personal bull shit but if I'm going to quit I guess I thought you guys might want to know why. She took the kids I am not allowed to see them. I can't keep going without my kids. I can't run this place like that. Also just for the record Fuck you John you are the worst kind of scum.

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Relationships can end, but it is completely unacceptable for her to kidnap your children and not allow visitation. She is in violation of Helicoptarian law.

For now I have sent you 1000 USD, I was thinking I should support the site anyway. Our Helicoptarian locations and safe houses are also available to you should you need them.

I would advise you tell her that she won't see a red dime from going down this path. That is about the only power you have.

I'm basically in the same situation as you and also not allowed to see my kids. It sucks and there isn't much you can do. I have met many others in the same situation as well.

[–] AOU 20 pts (+20|-0)

For now I have sent you 1000 USD, I was thinking I should support the site anyway. Our Helicoptarian locations and safe houses are also available to you should you need them.

Wow...I can't thank you enough (on behalf of @pmyb2) for that. Poal has been running on both our time and own money for over 2 years. Thanks to all of you who donated since.

This generous act of kindness is a relief and is giving Poal a more secure future and will let boobs focus on fixing his life.

Thank you, really.

[–] PMYB2 [OP] 3 pts (+3|-0)

I've managed to find some kind of sanity again enough to respond to the sticky comment. If you do happen to see this thank you man I appreciate it more than you know.

That being said. I might someday take you up on those safe houses I packed the car and was ready to leave. I don't honestly know why I didn't I guess I just figured it didn't matter where I was at the time. I've been doing nothing but reading edible plant guides and survival guides for weeks now.

I've managed to get into a situation where my wife is home with my kids but it still looks real bad. She is looking for me to do something stupid and lets be honest eventually we all do.

I've liked your movement long before I started poal, and I might have to take you up on it someday soon. I hope that offer of citizenship was genuine.

I've managed to find some kind of sanity again enough to respond to the sticky comment. If you do happen to see this thank you man I appreciate it more than you know.

No worries, your talents deserve more.

I've been doing nothing but reading edible plant guides and survival guides for weeks now.

Maybe a bit extreme. I understand the feeling though, I had a period where I just wanted to head into the woods, got a tent etc. ended up doing something slightly more conventional.

I've managed to get into a situation where my wife is home with my kids but it still looks real bad. She is looking for me to do something stupid and lets be honest eventually we all do.

That sounds pretty good. Try your best to reach a stable situation where you can still see the kids.

I had a period where I had some small visitation and by asking for more I lost it all basically. I can't say much without knowing the details and she may be putting you in an unacceptable situation, but generally it is always good if you can work something out with your wife/ex-wife instead of the government.

I hope that offer of citizenship was genuine.

It is. Just keep in mind that our movement is in its early phase and we don't have welfare.

Our US property is empty for example. We don't have an internal economy yet either so if you want to drop completely off the grid you would have to work outside in the cash/gig/black/crypto economy.

I can pay for investments like drilling a well, electricity generation and such though which might help.

If you can fix or keep your current situation or in the worst case escape alimony or something legally/normally by moving to another country that might be best for you personally.

[–] 0K 13 pts (+13|-0) (edited )

Oh shit

>I know this is airing personal bull shit

No it's ok dude, we all know what this shit is like, air all the personal bs you want if need be, you've a lifetime free personal bs airing pass as far as I'm concerned

Jesus christ, this isn't going to affect you in a neutral way, it's going to be ups and downs for a year at the very least, more down than ups.... You have to keep your mind busy with something, and do not touch the bottle.... Worst enemy here you'll do shit like calling her drunk and all that, even probably sucking a tranny and not even remembering it at some point

>She took the kids I am not allowed to see them.

Omg god that's shit... Jesus fuck using kids as a weapon for retaliation shouldn't even be a thing people do

>I can't run this place like that.

Oh shit I knew it. Of course... Yeah, that's the least of your concerns at this point... And you aren't in mood, evidently

>Also just for the record Fuck you John you are the worst kind of scum.

Who the fuck is john? No, a friend of yours that went with her? Jesus fuck and then people tell I should trust people more yet look at this shit, typical!

I used to have a lot of friends. Shit, I used to be a little social butterfly. These days, I mostly stick to myself. Most people really are shit.

Boobs,
I'm not one to offer advice about relationships but I will say the the folks here on Poal are her for you and will be so, whenever you need us.

[–] Vol 13 pts (+13|-0)

Your wife sounds like a cock not gonna lie. You can't see the kids? They're not possessions. Remember to tell them that when you see them next because women will dump all over kids to get back at a father.

These are hard times and it's a crazy world.
After the shitty atmosphere passes, things should look much brighter.
I'm sure things will work out for you with time, boobs.

Take some time to cool your head. Reach out to some of us if you want to chat, man.

Best of luck.

Damn that sucks. Hope you're hanging in there. Highly recommend a lawyer.

Also consider getting Permanent Residency in Venezuela (or other possible countries) right now, before they take your passport for not meeting the child support slavery payments.

Read @huwhite's comment twice. It may not be nice to hear this, but try to see it as a way to fight for the well being of your children... Get a lawyer right now.

That is painful to read. Damn. Hopefully she'll realize that you have a full life ahead of you both, if she can be patient and forgive you for being a guy.

Thanks for giving all that you have to this place. I hope you find yourself in a better position soon.

Hey dude....this place is you and it will be a part of you.

You don't know me from shit, but I been fucked over as well....you pick yourself up. Admit your wrongs and learn from them. Sometimes people will forgive, and sometimes they won't.

Deal with it either way and try not to make the same mistakes again if they effected you in a way that isn't helpful.

[–] PMYB2 [OP] 8 pts (+8|-0)

I won't I will not do that to my kids

You will do what is right for all involved. I heard you talk before, and like I said I don't actually know you, but what you have done with this place alone....shows me you put others before yourself.

You will do what you will do in the end, and this place will be here when you get right.

I am sure plenty of others can manage it and you have a team of people to watch the ship while you be a human.

I have no idea why you responded as you did; he said nothing about your kids.

Hugs. Thanks for everything.

Fuck, man. I am so sorry.

I get heartbroken over far, far less than a broken marriage with kids.

Hang in there if you can at all. I hope things work out for the best. I know you really love her.

Well....shit.

For what it’s worth. My wife sent me to jail last year over an argument regarding a bank password. My state just isn’t fair to men and my son,9 at the time told the cop I yelled at her put me in cuffs and away I went.

I have been working toward repair ever since.

It’s been hard and it’s been tough. But I am living proof it is possible. What have I learned.

Peace in the home isn’t worth any “hill to die upon.” What do I mean? If she wants something I think is stupid? Fine keep my opinion to myself. She wants to act like a child and say nasty things? Fine just listen and don’t respond negatively. Etc.

Western society is heavy handed and not understanding of men’s needs or feelings. Regardless of what counseling will tell you (I’ve had to endure 24 sessions as part of my plan to prove to the state I’m rehabilitated). Understand that and guard it. It sucks. It’s unfair. It is what it is.

Coach yourself. No one else will. Pride against your wife is futile. It’s not a loss to swallow your pride when it’s your wife. Recognize you’re being the adult by doing so even when no one gives you credit—allow yourself the credit and fell good about that.

It took 2 weeks before I could even come home incidentally after I posted bail. And months before talking to her felt nominally normal. In fact it still doesn’t but I just work through it.

Message me if you want to talk. I’m here to hear and share if nothing else. It can be done, there will be pain, there will be difficulties. But it can be done

For what it’s worth. My wife sent me to jail last year over an argument regarding a bank password. My state just isn’t fair to men and my son,9 at the time told the cop I yelled at her put me in cuffs and away I went.

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