Let me explain:

It seems like motorcyclist are always lecturing other drivers and people about things the OTHER drivers and people could be doing to minimize THEIR risk of getting hurt when riding.

This annoys the hell out of me. When you get on a motorcycle you already are taking a huge risk. Why the hell should I be changing my behavior for YOUR hobby? (Just a few examples: "be aware motorcycles are everywhere", "don't blow your grass clippings on the road", "dim your headlights")

It reminds me of the same argument feminist use. They want to engage in a risky hobby (a promiscuous lifestyle) that is completely optional, but then they demand you change your behavior to make it a little less risky (Examples: "pay for my birth control", "teach safe sex instead of abstinence", " believe all women" etc).

Anyway the parallels seem pretty apparent to me. Then if you ask motorcyclists why you should change YOUR behavior for their risky choice they get all bitchy about it. Like it's their God given right to be on the road. Sure, you can be on the road -- just like thots can sleep with whoever they want. But why is it MY responsibility to make sure you are safe?

The answer: it's not. It's not my responsibility at all. But for some reason (just like with feminist) there is this culture of "protect motorcyclists".

Screw that. You know the risk when you jump on that bike. It's on you to minimize it, not me. I'm not going out of my way to kill you -- but I'm not going above and beyond to change my behavior for you either.

And I come from a motorcycle driving family. This is what set me off. Their entitled attitude that people should change their behavior because they are more "at risk" on a bike. YOU CHOOSE TO RIDE THE DAMN THING! AND YOU AREN'T EVEN WEARING A HELMET!

Let me explain: It seems like motorcyclist are always lecturing other drivers and people about things the OTHER drivers and people could be doing to minimize THEIR risk of getting hurt when riding. This annoys the hell out of me. When you get on a motorcycle you already are taking a huge risk. Why the hell should I be changing my behavior for YOUR hobby? (Just a few examples: "be aware motorcycles are everywhere", "don't blow your grass clippings on the road", "dim your headlights") It reminds me of the same argument feminist use. They want to engage in a risky hobby (a promiscuous lifestyle) that is completely optional, but then they demand you change your behavior to make it a little less risky (Examples: "pay for my birth control", "teach safe sex instead of abstinence", " believe all women" etc). Anyway the parallels seem pretty apparent to me. Then if you ask motorcyclists why you should change YOUR behavior for their risky choice they get all bitchy about it. Like it's their God given right to be on the road. Sure, you can be on the road -- just like thots can sleep with whoever they want. But why is it MY responsibility to make sure you are safe? The answer: it's not. It's not my responsibility at all. But for some reason (just like with feminist) there is this culture of "protect motorcyclists". Screw that. You know the risk when you jump on that bike. It's on you to minimize it, not me. I'm not going out of my way to kill you -- but I'm not going above and beyond to change my behavior for you either. And I come from a motorcycle driving family. This is what set me off. Their entitled attitude that people should change their behavior because they are more "at risk" on a bike. YOU CHOOSE TO RIDE THE DAMN THING! AND YOU AREN'T EVEN WEARING A HELMET!
[–] Owlchemy 7 points

You can add the avid bicyclists to this, too. Just because you're riding in a group on a back road doesn't give you the right to ride two or three abreast and block traffic. Then get all bent outta shape when drivers get upset. Hell, they even build special bike trails for them around here, but they rarely use those ... they'd rather screw with traffic on two lane roads.

[–] Anmanda 4 points

I was going to say this. Cyclists don't even pay registration so why are they even allowed on the road?

This is true. They just gotta show off their skin tight suits and crazy racing colors - LOL

[–] poalcat 2 points

add motorized bikes & scooters for extra car driver anxiety. they zip along at 30mpg without a care in the world - no helmets and no unified rules as to what they can or can't do.

[–] PMYB2 5 points

As a motorcycle enthusiast I can say yeah I do ask people to watch out for bikes, that’s the only one I ever do. I also wear a helmet and other safety gear. I understand where your coming from but I also tell people to pay closer attention to the road in general and advocate safe driving in general. Not just for bikes it’s for everyone on the road.

You are right though it is entirely my choice to ride and I willingly accept that risk. I don’t put it on anyone else, I do appreciate it when people keep an eye out for me though everyone has a right to be on the road so it’s mildly annoying when a truck or car just decides they can just force you out of your lane due to texting and driving most of the time if would seem.

I think you have some riders that are just terrible and blame everyone but themselves. I've also had close calls that were completely the driver's fault and you're always reminded that your life isn't totally in your hands.

I literally had one car brush up against my boot gently but not knock me over when they pulled into my lane and I was all the way over on the edge. That was pretty... close.

But yeah, if someone isn't wearing a helmet, jacket, etc, and is complaining about safety, they need to take a good look in the mirror. I think motorcycling makes you more philsophical and appreciate life more once you've been close to certain death a few times. Certainly been the case for me.

I agree that there are too many fucking retards attracted to riding around in groups acting like fucking retards. That being said...

The dangers to many riders are caused by brainless cunts who don't have anything running though their minds besides "big metal box? no? OK GO!" The majority of riders that I have been on the road with are experienced, in full gear and extra cautious of the common brainless cunt areas of the road. Yet several of them have paid the price for someone else's mistakes. If you aren't a brainless cunt, then no one is talking to you... you sound butt hurt, bro. If you ARE a brainless cunt, then stop driving like a brainless cunt... and you sound butthurt, bro.

[–] Dudicles 2 points

That's not even my problem. They tend to drive erratic and very unsafe. They'll weave around in the lane, they'll drive in between cars stopped at a light, they'll stack two or three wide in a lane, to where their handlebar or mirror is basically in the oncoming traffic lane, etc etc.

In my experience, motorcyclists are much more dangerous to be around than a car or truck driver. The fact that they think they can bend, break, or skirt common driving sense and practice, and then want all of us drivers to bend the knee because they think they're in a league of their own? ....fuck all of them.

[–] matthew 2 points

I'm a motorcyclist that lane splits, and probably rides too enthusiastically for my own good.

We're not telling you to do anything that you shouldn't already be doing. You should be checking your mirrors and indicating prior to changing lanes; you should dip your high beams when there's an oncoming vehicle; you should not dump your rubbish on the road. And you should look for things crossing your path before pulling out onto a road: be it another car, a road train, a person, a bicycle or even a motorcycle. If you don't drive like a Muppet, the messages aren't aimed at you.

That over with, the statistic is that something like 90% of motorcycle accidents happen within the rider's field of vision. So close the 90% of accidents are completely avoidable with good roadcraft and cautious riding. Unfortunately, other cars not driving properly are the main problem for riders that do take all the precautions.

Finally, the problem with THOTs and that whole promiscuous culture is that it ends with welfare queens and bastard children. If there was no welfare, I couldn't give two fucks what or who they fuck, as long as no-one else is paying for their mistakes. You could argue that Motorcycle accidents are more expensive to insurance companies, but that's their choice to insure that group, and your choice to use that company. The other argument is when you need to get mandated state personal insurance (Vic Australia's TAC), but your problem there is mandatory personal insurance in the first place.

What happens to the riders without insurance? Or who cripple themselves and have to live off welfare the rest of their lives because they can't work? Same principal applies.

[–] matthew 2 points

I'm not sure about other places, but in Victoria Australia it's Incorporated into motorcycle registration, so you MUST buy it, cannot buy an alternative, and it makes it even more expensive than a car. That provides for you if you cripple yourself.

I agree with you though, regardless of if you cripple yourself on a bike, or shit out a fucktonne of kids, you shouldn't get any welfare.

The common, root, problem is welfare. Always is, always has been.

To be fair, some of the messages (at least in au) are things drivers should be doing anyway (check your blind spots, dim your headlights). I do see red when a rider gets on his high horse about how unsafe cars make the road when I know for a fact he's a lane splitter.

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