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I think the multiverse implies all possible universes exists, but if your proposed universe contains a contradiction such as "A god who is perfectly good and tolerates evil temporarily to allow choice but punishes incorrect choices with eternal punishment because he loves you" you have an impossible universe on your hands. Sure, that god could exist, but they wouldn't be "perfect" except to people kissing up to save themselves from punishment

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Well, this description isn't really theologically sound. It's just a description atheists invent and pretend Christians believe in order to bolster their own beliefs.

Eternal punishment is a habitual state of mind. Like an alcoholic or a drug addict. The alcohol and drugs are just a symbolic outwards representation of the torment they feel inside. Some people escape from this vicious cycle and others never change until the day they die. That's a worldly reflection of what eternal torment would be. Nobody is "inflicting torment" on the alcoholic except himself. Now you imagine just extending that lifespan 50, 500, 1,000, 2,000 years. There are people, regardless of how much time they have, who would simply never come back from the debauchery and destruction they've created. It would only get worse and darker as time goes on.

It's like that Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come". After his kids die, he dies later on, and then his wife falls into a spiral of depression and kills herself. In the afterlife she's alone in a hell of her own making, trapped in a feedback loop of torment that she created within her own mind. The door is there and open but she never leaves or walks through it. It's no different than the real world. People who suffer in this way, the door is always there and open and many just never walk through it.

It's a literal state of perpetual insanity that's easily observable in our world today.

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That's an interesting take on classical imagery. We know Hell is a borrowed term and Sheol was the term Christ used, which was the territory of unclaimed graves, meant as a general metaphor for death. So Yeshua Yosephson never preached of Dante's Inferno, but we work with the theology we're taught and this mannachian Zoroastrian patchwork of Catholicism turned evangelical gospel via KJV is what Christianity is to most people in the world.

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We know Hell is a borrowed term and Sheol was the term Christ used

Well, no. You can make this argument about the Torah, but in the NT for example you have the story of Lazarus, the rich man goes to Hades (not Sheol) a place of torment where he is "tormented in this flame" (described in other sections of the NT as a place where "the worms don't die", and many other examples), while Lazarus goes to the Bosom of Abraham. This is thought to be some sort of a purgatory, since nobody could enter into Heaven until Christ. So this is actually pretty clear imagery laid out regarding heaven and hell (the existence of it, anyways).

But it is a valid observation for the Torah, which most people aren't aware of. So that's cool you know that. I appreciate the intelligent critique.

This isn't what Christianity is to a lot of people (evangelicals etc) but that's mainly because they don't care about philosophy. Like, at all. So it's really just a vague understanding that when you die you go somewhere that isn't good. Not really a firm conviction about what that actually means.

Protestantism is a system of pretty much continuously reinventing the wheel since there's no top-down authority, so it's not necessarily that they don't believe it but that they're only able to get to step 3 when this is step 15. I'm an Orthodox Christian, these ideas were formulated over the course of 1,000+ years. It's the culmination of many brilliant minds devoting their entire lives to the pursuit of truth, exchanging ideas, deliberating. That's pretty hard to compete with by just...getting together with a bunch of other pals who believe in Christ, chatting about it and maybe starting a blog or reading a few books from contemporary authors.

I have yet to receive any pushback from other Christians about this though. They think it's great and insightful. It would be incredibly difficult to find a Christian who would hear what I said and be like "ummm no, fuck you. Hell is literally a torture chamber where God sits there stabbing you in the face for eternity". I would have trouble trying to find one. I mean, even for that matter I have trouble finding atheists who find what I'm saying problematic (conceptually, of course). It's pretty sensible and obvious once you hear it. I really don't know why this understanding went by the wayside.

TL;DR It's less that they believe something contradictory to what I'm saying and more that the wisdom and knowledge of our ancestors has been entirely erased. Which is sad.

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Who the fuck is the little dung beetle spitting up at the Perfect Architect of this real-life VR MMORPG game?!

YOUR SOUL is the real-life player and your body is just a temporary avatar. But you've been in this game for so long you got fooled into believing that the avatar you see & feel is the real thing! SwordArtOnline is just a satire about real-life

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“What shall we say then? Is there injustice with God? Absolutely not! For he says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:14-15‬ ‭NET‬‬

God answers to no one. That’s part of what makes him God.

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I heard a clip from Derek Prince recently in which he says that the reason we face depression is because our soul is disconnect from the spirit:

The spirit's job is to continuously interface with God, and it brings JOY

The soul wanders according to our hearts, & that brings happiness and sadness. You can be joyful and sad at the same time... atheists can conceptualize this but they will never feel it. It's impossible without the spirit.

When things in our life go according to worldly expectations it brings happiness and it brings sadness & depression when our hearts are disconnect from the godly principles & things are not going well.

If you keep your principles in God you will still be joyful but it should keep from getting to suicidal depression when things go horribly wrong in this life. & This is the secret to why so many people face suicidal depression and end up killing themselves.

How can you be depressed and claim to be godly at the same time? Sadness & Discouraged maybe... but depressed?

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Every possible universe.

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possible

Is it possible to get information such as sounds or images, from a distant future? Like, months in advance?

Is it possible?

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No, because that would break causality.

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2 decades or so ago when I was attending a boarding school, one night I went to sleep, like any other night. It was a rainy night. So I started to fall asleep, and then I heard a voice in my room, that awoke me, a female voice saying "He had to show papers to the court to prove that he was still a student". I was like wtf. So it awoke me and I turned the light on, and got up from my bed, and said "who's there? Hello? Is there somebody here?" and I started to search my room, looking in the corners to check if somebody was there. And there was nobody. So, I thought I had hallucinated, that it was just dream for lack of better explanation, and I went back to bed and didn't give it a second thought afterward. 3 or 4 months later, a girl I barely knew, a nice looking girl, who was a friend of a girl I knew, came to me and asked what I was doing for summer holidays and if I was ok to go to spain with her, she invited me at her place over there. Of course I accepted the invitation, I thought "yeah... I'm gonna sex you, awesome...". So the next month or so I went with her in spain. Then once over there, it was strange because most of the time we didn't hang with each others, so I wondered why she even invited me, what for, if it obviously wasn't all about having sex in the end? I'm a nice guy but there's a lot of nice guys, and we didn't know much each others, so why? I guess in hindsight it was just to spite her friend. But I digress. So days are passing by, I get bored, in a villa in a southern town of spain, not much to do except watching clouds passing by. Then one evening, she invites friends of her to take a coffee. People I didn't know, had no connection with, so I'm like at a table half listening to a bunch of strangers discussing about their respective life, and then, another girl, a friend of her, said "...He had to show papers to the court to prove that he was still a student". And I was like holyshit, W_T_F >>>> Jaw Drops to the ground. The episode in my room that I forgot about came right back at me. It was that voice that I heard that night, it's that exact same sentence that awoke me in my room that night. And I was about to tell everybody around that table, what just happened, and then I realized that if I do that, they're going to think I'm crazy, so I said nothing.

Fast forward 2 weeks later or so, a fire engulfed the first floor of the house, and I managed to save the day essentially, I skip you the details, her mother was completely doped on sleeping pills, even technically awake she couldn't tell if she was dreaming or if it was real, I had to handle that too

...

So you see, you think you know what's we commonly call "reality", just like the people before and after you, scholars, scientists, etc

But you don't know, you think you know, big difference

You and I are like terry A davis' bird, starring at his CRT monitor, there isn't a chance in the world for us to one day figure out what's that thing we're looking at

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Omnipresence would prevent a universe without such intrusion. One of the hypotheses is incorrect.

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atheists are egomaniacs. they don't believe in god, because they think they are god.

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One can't be something he doesn't believe in. Do you not believe in unicorns because you are one?

I’m just saying there are probably things outside our comprehension and ability to measure and they seem to have law and order. So of all that, it is either meaningless or forces out there we may never find. Still puts a solid stance to believe in something or not.

I don’t suspect to ever hit a dead end when it comes to what we may unravel about the universe. Only that we will hit a plateau in what we can measure.

That said, it seems easier to be an agnostic than to say there is no Godly/universal/unfathomable force keeping reality together.

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Agnostic is just the religion way of claiming to be a Moderate. You know damn well which side is wrong, you just don't want to say it.