I think the multiverse implies all possible universes exists, but if your proposed universe contains a contradiction such as "A god who is perfectly good and tolerates evil temporarily to allow choice but punishes incorrect choices with eternal punishment because he loves you" you have an impossible universe on your hands. Sure, that god could exist, but they wouldn't be "perfect" except to people kissing up to save themselves from punishment
Well, this description isn't really theologically sound. It's just a description atheists invent and pretend Christians believe in order to bolster their own beliefs.
Eternal punishment is a habitual state of mind. Like an alcoholic or a drug addict. The alcohol and drugs are just a symbolic outwards representation of the torment they feel inside. Some people escape from this vicious cycle and others never change until the day they die. That's a worldly reflection of what eternal torment would be. Nobody is "inflicting torment" on the alcoholic except himself. Now you imagine just extending that lifespan 50, 500, 1,000, 2,000 years. There are people, regardless of how much time they have, who would simply never come back from the debauchery and destruction they've created. It would only get worse and darker as time goes on.
It's like that Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come". After his kids die, he dies later on, and then his wife falls into a spiral of depression and kills herself. In the afterlife she's alone in a hell of her own making, trapped in a feedback loop of torment that she created within her own mind. The door is there and open but she never leaves or walks through it. It's no different than the real world. People who suffer in this way, the door is always there and open and many just never walk through it.
It's a literal state of perpetual insanity that's easily observable in our world today.
That's an interesting take on classical imagery. We know Hell is a borrowed term and Sheol was the term Christ used, which was the territory of unclaimed graves, meant as a general metaphor for death. So Yeshua Yosephson never preached of Dante's Inferno, but we work with the theology we're taught and this mannachian Zoroastrian patchwork of Catholicism turned evangelical gospel via KJV is what Christianity is to most people in the world.
We know Hell is a borrowed term and Sheol was the term Christ used
Well, no. You can make this argument about the Torah, but in the NT for example you have the story of Lazarus, the rich man goes to Hades (not Sheol) a place of torment where he is "tormented in this flame" (described in other sections of the NT as a place where "the worms don't die", and many other examples), while Lazarus goes to the Bosom of Abraham. This is thought to be some sort of a purgatory, since nobody could enter into Heaven until Christ. So this is actually pretty clear imagery laid out regarding heaven and hell (the existence of it, anyways).
But it is a valid observation for the Torah, which most people aren't aware of. So that's cool you know that. I appreciate the intelligent critique.
This isn't what Christianity is to a lot of people (evangelicals etc) but that's mainly because they don't care about philosophy. Like, at all. So it's really just a vague understanding that when you die you go somewhere that isn't good. Not really a firm conviction about what that actually means.
Protestantism is a system of pretty much continuously reinventing the wheel since there's no top-down authority, so it's not necessarily that they don't believe it but that they're only able to get to step 3 when this is step 15. I'm an Orthodox Christian, these ideas were formulated over the course of 1,000+ years. It's the culmination of many brilliant minds devoting their entire lives to the pursuit of truth, exchanging ideas, deliberating. That's pretty hard to compete with by just...getting together with a bunch of other pals who believe in Christ, chatting about it and maybe starting a blog or reading a few books from contemporary authors.
I have yet to receive any pushback from other Christians about this though. They think it's great and insightful. It would be incredibly difficult to find a Christian who would hear what I said and be like "ummm no, fuck you. Hell is literally a torture chamber where God sits there stabbing you in the face for eternity". I would have trouble trying to find one. I mean, even for that matter I have trouble finding atheists who find what I'm saying problematic (conceptually, of course). It's pretty sensible and obvious once you hear it. I really don't know why this understanding went by the wayside.
TL;DR It's less that they believe something contradictory to what I'm saying and more that the wisdom and knowledge of our ancestors has been entirely erased. Which is sad.
Who the fuck is the little dung beetle spitting up at the Perfect Architect of this real-life VR MMORPG game?!
YOUR SOUL is the real-life player and your body is just a temporary avatar. But you've been in this game for so long you got fooled into believing that the avatar you see & feel is the real thing! SwordArtOnline is just a satire about real-life
'Look at the Leviathan!"
“What shall we say then? Is there injustice with God? Absolutely not! For he says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”” Romans 9:14-15 NET
God answers to no one. That’s part of what makes him God.
I heard a clip from Derek Prince recently in which he says that the reason we face depression is because our soul is disconnect from the spirit:
The spirit's job is to continuously interface with God, and it brings JOY
The soul wanders according to our hearts, & that brings happiness and sadness. You can be joyful and sad at the same time... atheists can conceptualize this but they will never feel it. It's impossible without the spirit.
When things in our life go according to worldly expectations it brings happiness and it brings sadness & depression when our hearts are disconnect from the godly principles & things are not going well.
If you keep your principles in God you will still be joyful but it should keep from getting to suicidal depression when things go horribly wrong in this life. & This is the secret to why so many people face suicidal depression and end up killing themselves.
How can you be depressed and claim to be godly at the same time? Sadness & Discouraged maybe... but depressed?
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