> **By trying to do good, you are using them like things.** > [Church Militant Men's Retreat & Conference, "Stay on Board the Ship", Aug. 4–6, 2023](https://www.churchmilitant.com/strength-honor) > Simon takes the hard line on treating people as souls worthy of dignity and respect, as opposed to a means to an end. > [Click here to purchase the Dining with the Saints book](https://www.churchmilitant.shop/?product=659) > [Click here to purchase Gregorian Chant on DVD](https://www.churchmilitant.shop/index.php?product=58) > [Watch other episodes of *Hard Line*.](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL91feG5gFxM91CAzZLgnyWnrwZ742qORm) Primary Video source continues here: https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/hard-objectifying-people