Intel self identifies as being an American chip manufacturer. Really it's a Trans-American chip manufacturer based in Israel.
Yep.
Intel self identifies as being an American chip manufacturer. Really it's a Trans-American chip manufacturer based in Israel.
Yep.
Fuck them! We'll build our own... chip thingies! W-with extra wires to make it look more techy and EXTRA SILVER COLORS!!!
I'm in.
We'll be like... tenionaire$!
Maybe even Hundredaires!
And blackjack and hookers!
hookers with no dicks, this time!
with no dicks, this time!
This man knows what he wants. $10 and a hooker without a dick.
FTFA
The growing bipartisan consensus in Washington that key technology, from chips to electric-vehicle batteries, must be made in the U.S. instead of in Asia, in particular China, might be at odds with what shareholders want.
It might come as a surprise to Poalrs that the two largest shareholders in Intel are Vanguard and Blackrock. Who would have thought they would be opposed to making America first and costing their Chinese friends?
When the demand materializes? Like right f-ing now??
I drive by lots full of partially-built brand new Ford pickups every day, must be thousands of 'em... that can't be finished because they need chips.
Well, you know, the demand. It has to materialize before they build, and if the demand isn't there then it won't build anything Really, it's all about the demand, and we are building a factory in Mexico too, so if the demand is there we'll start making things. Demand isn't just there right now, because the demand is being met by other fabs, so we're not seeing demand.
The market has been starved. Just in fleet purchasing alone there is huge demand. For example, rental companies have been holding onto their vehicles longer than ever. Which also drives up the used car market. Both first and second tier markets are starved for capacity. The demand is there.
What's missing is supply. And the industry has gone out of their way to prevent satisfying supply.
Assuming a fab is built and without equipment ... it will still require 2-3 years from the "go" date to acquire and install new equipment and people, dial in fab processes, run new chip designs on the new processes, characterize the new chips, dial in any process/design issues before the chips are qualified and ready for real production. The process of bringing up a new fab is incredibly complex, especially when establishing cutting edge semiconductor technologies.
By the time the gurus determine there is enough future demand to populate a fab, they are still years away from producing quality chips at that fab. A lot can change in 2-3 years.
I'd feel better if they moved as fast as possible to replicate TSMCs bleeding edge processes and gradually move existing production from TSMC to the new US foundry. As demand builds, create more of these new US foundries. It would be safer for national security and provide some capacity if/when China invades Taiwan.
You're absolutely right. I'd set up a HoldCo to be the fab and take orders from other companies so you're not giving "Intel" business - kind of like what AT&T tried with the Lucent spinoff.
The problem, however, is still one of money. China is subsidized slave labor, we're never going to be able to beat that unless we repeal Clinton's thing about not having chips for military stuff made in the USA.
China is subsidized slave labor, we're never going to be able to beat that unless we repeal Clinton's thing about not having chips for military stuff made in the USA.
China isn't currently making chips of any importance to us. If they take Taiwan and TSMC, that all changes. It would be nearly impossible to populate TSMC with slave labor. 80% of the labor force needs at least an EE degree plus experience. The other 20% would be equipment operators, who could be trained over a period of weeks. Employees need a proactive attitude to recognize and help to resolve manufacturing issues ASAP. A sense of urgency exceeding that of a Hospital Emergency Room is required for leading edge semiconductor manufacturing. Slave labor leaves a lot to be desired in this area. Quality is extremely important in ULSI chip manufacturing. So in short, I don't think slave labor will significantly help China compete in this market segment, more likely it will hurt product quality. America can easily compete when it comes to manufacturing complex, high margin chips.
I totally agree with you about bringing Military and Aerospace chip production stateside as it was before Bill Clinton opened the barn doors.
I have to wonder why China hasn't taken Taiwan yet.
I didn't necessarily mean actual slaves, but we can we really compete with their wages?
If China takes Taiwan, as a matter of national security, all of the fabs should be bombed to ashes in Taiwan.
Intel makes "birds" for mossad.
Yes.
Sounds like a good time to buy Intel stock.
Maybe.
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