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Solar panel people - how plausible is this?

Solar panel people - how plausible is this?

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[–] 9 pts

I've done it. Yet I still keep the grid connected. In case you're interested, I have 5Kw of panels connected to a charge controller. This goes to a 6KW low frequency inverter. I have 20KWH of Lifepo4 batteries. It all works. I do it because I expect the grid to go down sporadically or go off permanently.

[–] 5 pts

Based off your experience, would you say it would be possible to have such a system in a colder climates where it's rainy and cloudy often?

[–] 9 pts

Yes.

You need to find your lowest amount of sun hours per day. And buy enough solar panels based on that. Even if you get 1 hour per day, you can do it. You'll just need enough panels to extract. For example:

If you consume 5KWH per day and you get 1 hour of sun per day, you will need 5KW of panels in order to charge your batteries. If you get 2 hours of sun per day, then you'll only need 2.5KW of panels.

Of course, you'll need to plan some margin in there in case you don't get the same amount of sun every day. But I think you know where I'm going.

You can gang up multiple arrays using multiple chargers.

So I worked from the inverter to the batteries to the panels to determine what I needed.

Consider your house wiring. I used a 6KW inverter because I back feed the inverter to my panel on a branch circuit. My wiring and branch circuit can handle 30 amps @ 220 volts. So a 6KW inverter is as big as I can go without making major changes to my panel.

The batteries depend on how many KWH you need. By the way, I went with 48 volt batteries to keep my wiring costs lower.

Good luck.

[–] 2 pts

Thanks for the info and taking your time to write that. Now I have a lot better idea of what to do.

[–] 0 pt

If I was interested in having some solar installed, is there a reputable company to go through. I have 0 DIY skills and would die or make a huge mess attempting anything like this, but I also don't want to get screwed by some shady solar shlomo.

Also, any gubmint gibs-me-dats to help with the cost?

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How's the longevity of your panels?

[–] 2 pts

depends on the clouds

cloudy sky basically reduces everything to nothing

also, there is a sixfold DECREASE of solar energy between winter and summer .... (in most part of the world, beside equator)

so, if you have batteries (yes, 20kwh is a proper sizing for a house) also get a generator,

being grid connected is less "complicated" but a bit more expensive

[–] 2 pts

also, there is a sixfold DECREASE of solar energy between winter and summer .... (in most part of the world, beside equator)

This would be a huge factor as the area where the property is gets proper frigid during winter, so thanks for the heads up.

[–] 2 pts

Are there guides or other resources you recommend to start learning how to set this up?

Thanks in advance!

[–] 4 pts

There are many resources. It took me a while to comb through the info I found. I found unboundsolar has pretty good resources. You need a solar calculator for where you live to determine your solar days. This will help you size your panels. Then you need a household watt calculator to estimate your power requirements. Also, your electric bill is helpful for this. Keep in mind during a crisis, you may not need as much power as you would normally use. For example, I won't run my air conditioning or my electric clothes dryer.

Electric motors, such as septic tank and well pumps have very high current requirements to start them. This will affect the type of inverter you may need. I went with a low frequency inverter because of my high current requirements for all my pumps. A high frequency inverter is much cheaper and more efficient than what I bought because I needed the instantaneous starting current a low frequency inverter offers.

Lifepo4 batteries are the best bet, they can be cycled much harder and more frequently than flooded batteries. Yes, they cost more, but I determined the cost was well worth it. Having said that, you can buy cheap (China made) banks of batteries since the individual cells are all the same. China makes them all. Sadly. I did buy batteries assembled here in the USA so I paid more probably than I needed to.

The panels, well, I bought the cheapest ones I could find. Again, most of these are made in China. The MPPT charger, I bought MidniteSolar. It seemed reasonable for the money.

Good luck.

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Midnite is a great company, good stuff. The PNW has a bunch of good solar companies, all sort of interconnected over time. I ran a midnite classic for a decade.

[–] 3 pts

Start browsing diysolarforum.com, it’s the greatest resource I have ever found.everything Is there.

[–] 1 pt

I want to for if I get rid of my current house. Need to get a more open lot though.

[–] 0 pt

I'm in a prescribed northern zone. How does latitude affect solar power and how are these calculations made?

[–] 1 pt

Go on your favorite search engine and look for "off grid solar calculator". It will ask you for your zip code and may ask for your load size. You will then get your minimum number of sun hours for your area.

The calculations are based on your position on the earth. There's probably a table with this data somewhere. I frankly don't know. This is how I sized my system.

I know I use less than 20KWH per day of energy, based on my electric bill. I get more than 4 hours minimum of sunlight per day based on the calculator. This means I need 5KW of solar panels. However, you may need more if you don't have a clear area.

[–] 4 pts

It never been a questionable of plausibility or practicality, its always been a question of how much resources, how much investment, and how much space.

[–] 4 pts

I'm putting a small 250W setup in my cabin, it won't be used very often so will have plenty of time to charge the battery bank. The only things it needs to power are LED lighting and a phone charger.

[–] 3 pts

His setup is very plausible.

[–] 2 pts

A couple of days ago I stumbled upon a guy who aimed and succeeded to make solar panels more efficient by cooling them. He explains all in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt9qLRN7JvA

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So do you do

A) dc from panels to dc/dc charger to batteries then to an AC invertor

Or

B) dc from panels to micro or standard inverter(s) to 240 ac then to batteries?

[–] 0 pt

That depends. I went with a specific low frequency inverter due to my current requirements. I like micro inverters, but if you want an off grid system, I think MPPT charge controller with battery and stand alone inverter is the way to go.

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I run micro invertors myself, but you need the 60hz clock to fire them up. I have not been able to find a stand alone box that would allow on grid invertors to function in an off grid situation (needs to provide a 60hz 240v clock).

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You could try connecting a small sine wave inverter to them. Not sure if that work though.

[–] 2 pts

Where I live we get valley cloud in the winter and don't see any sun for weeks or even months at a time.

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The video doesn't work for me at all but I got audio.

As to the content, I wonder if hate for "green" tech fomented on the right might be a controlled opposition sort of play to induce a dumb purity spiral that drives serious dissidents away from grid independence.

[–] 2 pts

The video doesn't work for me at all but I got audio.

Has been happening to others today as well, try opening the link in new tab.

controlled opposition sort of play

Would not surprise me one bit, especially since they are trying to gain full control of our energy use.

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Criminals hate personal sovereignty.

[–] 2 pts

A good battery bank is the key. I only had 3 solar panels and one battery for my off grid cabin years ago. All I really needed it for was lights though. But I could run a little tv, charge phone or computer too in the summer, winter is another story.

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I do. It’s great. I’ll never go back.

Grid tie systems suck, when the grid fails, your system turns off.

Welcome to having all the power you can’t use in an actual emergency.

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You know you can install a master disconnect switch, right?

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Systems differ by state due to laws, but in many the inverter you buy must be grid synced with remote shutdown. You could fully disconnect from the grid but it won’t turn on, difference between a hybrid and grid tie system. A stand alone off grid system is yours, you control it, you are responsible for it. Do a good job, it always works. That’s my style.

No wires, no poles, no extra 5G antennae.nothing. Pure beautiful nature and my tiny solar setup making our life comfortable.

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Ah, I wasn't aware some states made you tie in, that's a terrible idea.

[–] 2 pts

Solar panel guy here, it is plausable as long as you have a battery system and are willing to work within the limitations of solar energy. You won't be using air conditioning or electric home heat. You won't be coming turkeys in electric ovens. You will have occasions where you run out of power and either have to use a generator or go without until the weather clears up. But it is doable. Oh yeah, you also need to live in an area that has reliable sun year round.

Also, those panels he's using are shit. Not sure exactly what brand they are, but there are much denser (more power per unit area), and sturdier panels available. You don't want to skimp if it's your primary source of energy.

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