I appreciate some of what you're saying, but I can also tell I haven't conveyed what my true meaning is and so some of the responses I'm getting are misaligned. I am merely trying to pull the argument from meta-physical to tangible and see if it applies. I'm not advocating people become only rational either. I'm merely presenting a side, which is necessary, but admittedly perhaps not fully sufficient.
Thats the trouble with science, the only language it really has for defining the universe is mathematics and thats about it. The universe doesn't seem to speak math, english or any other tongue.
There are many issues with this. Every theory has trouble, yes. The point of the scientific method is to rationally test against hypothesis, rejecting that which is unlikely. Science doesn't speak math, but yes math is a tool. So are many other tools, such as logical reasoning, among other things. The scientific method is one of many limited methods, which can yield rational fruit, but like many ideas is misunderstood by most (it took me years in academia to realize this).
The issue with esoteric questions about concepts of "good" and "evil" and "god' or "the devil" etc, is there are too many disconnections from our purview. One can use the scientific method, however it's very easy for someone who doesn't know what the scientific method actually is to find problems. There are no perfect methods. Statements like "The universe is super complicated therefore rudimentary methods won't work" doesn't cut it, as it isn't an argument and doesn't provide tangible value. I think you're missing the point I was attempting to make (and keep in mind I realize I didn't explain it perfectly either, this shit is hard to explain).
What I was proposing was merely instead of going out into the distance and picking some boogeyman to correlate or "prove" but instead start locally and test against a testable, tangible, simple hypothesis. What is the tangible hypothesis I am proposing? That psychopaths run the world and most of us don't realize what a psychopath is, so we're susceptible to their subversion and this is why we let them. This correlates very well with world events ... so what value is there in talking about far away notions like god, and evil and the devil and the Illuminati or whatever you would call it? The thing to take from the scientific method is to start local and creep outwards to construct a theory. Reaching far away and correlating to a theory is pseudo-science and isn't actually fact based. Saying "demons" or "inter-dimensional forces" isn't measurable and really, without having inter-dimensional understanding wont' help us pull the levers to get us to a more moral, virtuous place.
Us hoomins are not rational creatures, we are a difficult and ornery lot, here is a significant number of who will act against their own interests for reasons of their own. We are capable of rationalising and thats about it.
This is one of the greatest realizations I've had myself. We are both animals (carnal, irrational) and have brains (cognitive, rational). We have to embrace both or we won't be able to understand either. So, I'm not trying to be super formal, just trying to apply a formal, rational basis. It's a subset of the logical abilities we have but it needs to be kept simple. This is why I will only try to apply a theory that works and is measurable and testable. Esoteric forces are not a problem statement that is in my ability to explain, or find a way to alleviate what is going on.
Carnal human behavior on the other hand does work to both explain, and to understand how to alleviate. Really, the scientific method is highly misunderstood and if you go back to the ancient greek gnostics, you'll see something that resembles what I'm talking about. Modern science is broken, even in the physics realm. Anyway, in short consider we're in a way dropped into this world blind until we can see and if we make up ghosts we'll find them, even if they're not really there. Further, monopolists who control the media are pumping us full of bs to keep us from understanding our own nature and keep buying their enslavement.
As for the supernatural existing or not, thats a useless argument. It can't be proven or disproven and only exists to give some people something to argue about.
I agree and is touching on one of the points I wasn't so elegantly making. I'm not saying that I know what's going on outside my purview, just that there are simpler explanations that can allow us to wrench ourselves out of the subversive trap that has been placed before us. So, start in the rational place we have and creep outwards. By doing that, I've already found an explanation of world events without needing "good" and "evil". Recall my "wolf" and "sheep" analogies and recall what I was saying about making the sheep aware.
The explanation, in short, is that morality is shaped by our experiences and understanding of the situation we're in. We're not even aware if we, ourselves, are bad and are wired to merely survive. Some, who win in the game believe their winning is some kind of virtue and will fight to keep their status, while others are comfortable being part of the herd and don't even realize they're cattle to the subverters. For more interesting ideas of what I'm saying, see and .
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