All I'm saying is that Victorian Era technology will be a distant, long, long, long term possibility, but certainly not in our lifetimes. Never has the chain of esoteric knowledge been broken from the stone age to present... Until the industrial revolution -- when we wholesale abandoned all of it; including the legions of domesticated working animals with ancient lineages that lifted us from the dirt and helped us build our civilizations... We let them all die. Little things, useful but inconsequential bits of knowledge like possessed by renfair blacksmiths and other larp caste skills will endure - but the rest is simply gone. No one gets to land at the apex of development after having abandoned the countless millennia of knowledge it took to build upon. No, in America, in the situation we're talking about, the devastation is total and what will remain are the central plains states -- with the hundreds of thousands of permanently pissed off lokota sioux and not much else. If there is to be a solid future for the collective White race, it will not be founded here. We will have poisoned everything that once made the land rich. For 'White' continuity we will have to look back to North and Eastern Europe. Similar to what America will face, across the Western Europe there will be pure devastation caused by living an opulent fiat currency fueled lifestyle for for fifty years but cultural outliers like Poland and Denmark who still retain degrees of their historic character and much of their traditional knowledge might be okay - depending on how much violence spills out of the more desperate lands. Russia, with it's Bolshevik culled population of dull-eyed masses might thrive due to it's infrastructure being entirely constructed in opposition to Western influence but places like the UK, whose pre-industrial population never exceeded 6 million is going to find themselves in a Hunger Games style free for all with a population of 65 Million, many of them brown, entitled, and ignorant - and no food to go around. The wild card truly is the sand nigs and jews in the middle east. Will Israel deploy it's nuclear arsenal as a mutually assured destruction play? If the State is genuinely facing collapse and the hordes are at the gates, will they create a regional or global nuclear winter? If so Russia will suffer greatly, I mean, we all will in totality. With that in mind I wonder if Russia will become Israel's new caretaker. Not because of some nostalgia for sematic depravity, but because their threat profile rises significantly if left unattended. In America though, the Nigs will cluster and survive, they were bred to be hearty and capable, so they will continue to be. Their losses will be disproportionate due in no small part to their poor impulse control, poor planning skills, aggression,a stunningly low IQ of 73 across the American South. Nonetheless, there will be statistical outliers and the region is fertile. The American south will, in time, come to resemble Sub-Saharan Africa. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf