The standard is that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, that's pretty fair and normal, but not for everybody in the qcrowd, obviously, many confuse opinions, conjectures and proofs... So, that's like an entire education to build from scratch, I wonder where those people come from btw, and I guess probably from a religious background... Where faith is "everything", in the wrong sense...
I've spent a week immersed in the qcrowd on voat, and I was like "I want to believe, convince me" because I realized it was a long and complex story and that people over there were not necessarily gifted when it comes to rhetoric and debates, so I gave them a chance to make their case, and it was a shitshow of conjectures and wishful thinking bordering on "pareidolia" for lack of better word.
That's my experience with the qstuff, since then I came back to it once or two but it was just the same train of thought so I blocked the sub and only unblocked it recently
It looks more sane now, more like a press review like you can find in other subs, but you still get "trust the plan", you still have people believing it's real and they aren't trolls for the vast majority I've tested them they sincerely believe in the plan and Q, unlike the vast majority of flatearthers who only play pretend and develop treasures of imagination in terms of bad faith answers lol
In a way I feel bad for the Q people, they're being used I think and not necessarily by some shadowy organization but rather by wannabe gurus and cynical people
Yup, absolutely. I merely disagree a bit on how willing they are to accept their burden of proof. I find flat earthers don't even understand the concept, which is okay because if I had time to hang out with them I could get them over that line. But I don't so I just make that the line. The Q people have a bunch of those as well but you can have a conversation with them and you can get them sometimes to consider another perspective.
It's not much but a toe over the line is fine for me. I just want them on my side when we need to move our people forward in a big way in the next little while. There is a lot that needs to be done and we need every single one of them.
I find flat earthers don't even understand the concept
It's on purpose, supporting/defending the flatearth position is kind of like trying to run a marathon in a garage; you're in an impasse from the get go and your margins of maneuver are quite limited. So you essentially need to keep turning in circle or run on some sort of treadmill, so evidently in a debate that will translate into "nice CGI", "nice state propaganda", "nice collection of fake news", "I don't believe this", "it's the fisheye" etc... You need to change course every time you're about to hit the wall basically. Of course then you have the "curved universe treadmill" ultimately, as in "earth is flat it's just that we live in a curved universe that's all" and such. It's a game of let's see how far I can go and get away with it.
Heh. I heard benny hill music reading this. By far the best description of their position.
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