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I'm perfectly okay with paying him to stay home. He can't work and would only be a negative to an employer. I'm actually pretty pro-welfare. Frankly, it's a needed service and anyone that doesn't realize this is a fucking moron. Also, it's amazing how many people who hate welfare vocally are people who receive some sort of assistance - be it tax breaks, subsidies, or outright government handouts.

Some of the most vocal anti-welfare people I've met are people on welfare who think that they deserve it but other people don't.

I pay a whole lot of money for taxes. You don't even want to know how much I pay in taxes. If you saw my tax bill and were obligated to pay it, you'd shit a brick or string up to avoid the penalties of not paying. That's just for a year's worth of taxes.

And, you know what? I don't mind. I don't even really complain about it. I pay what I fucking owe and move on with life. If you raise my taxes, it will do exactly nothing to change my lifestyle. If anything, I should probably be paying more in taxes.

As someone who spends enough in taxes...

Actually, let's do some math...

SSI (or SSDI, I never know the difference between them) pays like $800 a month - or about $9600 a year.

I moved so much money last year that I alone paid (counting all my taxes) for more than 100 people to stay home and do nothing. In fact, a calculator tells me I paid almost exactly for 125 people to collect social security disability income. (My tax burden for 2021 was about $1.2 - 'cause I moved a fuckton of money, collecting my profits from investments to buy cars - not all of that gets to be written off, but that's far better than 30% or so that I'd otherwise pay.)

So, I think I get to have a fucking opinion... I dare say my opinion is more valid than the shitstains that barely pay taxes or pay less in taxes than I spend in a month.

And, frankly, I like welfare being available - even for the people who abuse it. I don't want those fuckers in the workforce. More importantly, I don't want them to be so needy that they commit more crimes to pay for food and rent. I want them to have chances to improve themselves and I don't begrudge them a penny.

We pay far less for welfare than we pay for subsidies for the rich. That shouldn't be true.

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They get almost $1100 a month around here. They would be more of a burden on society if they were left to wither and die in the streets

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Ah, yeah, some states augment it. In Maine, the state chips in like ten bucks and calls it good. Literally, like 10 bucks. SSDi is ~800 by itself. California chips in the most, as memory serves. I recall someone mentioning it was like an extra double that amount.

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The cost of living is probably more than double in California than it is in Maine