Kosherly!
Kosherly!
I've seen a pic / meme going around about how jews owned a disproportionate number of slaves in the 1850/1860s census. it even lists a bunch of sources at the bottom.
Problem is, I've done a lot of genealogy research, and am familiar with census data. The census had very little data back then compared to later years. Mostly a list of names, age, sex and occupation along with whether land was rented or owned. The slave schedule just listed how many slaves they had. Nothing in there about nationality / ethnicity other than white / black / mulatto.
So I don't know if the data even exists. Don't trust any source that lists the 1850/1860 census as the source because jews were not counted in that way by the US gov in the census that I've even seen, doing many years of genealogical research.
I've seen a pic / meme going around about how jews owned a disproportionate number of slaves in the 1850/1860s census. it even lists a bunch of sources at the bottom.
Problem is, I've done a lot of genealogy research, and am familiar with census data. The census had very little data back then compared to later years. Mostly a list of names, age, sex and occupation along with whether land was rented or owned. The slave schedule just listed how many slaves they had. Nothing in there about nationality / ethnicity other than white / black / mulatto.
So I don't know if the data even exists. Don't trust any source that lists the 1850/1860 census as the source because jews were not counted in that way by the US gov in the census that I've even seen, doing many years of genealogical research.
thank you for the insight. i knew this would be a daunting task but now its starting to sound somewhat impossible. if you can link your old findings id be happy to look through it.
thank you for the insight. i knew this would be a daunting task but now its starting to sound somewhat impossible. if you can link your old findings id be happy to look through it.
My research was into my family. Going through census data back into the 1700s. Methodically analyzing all available data. Even had the premium ancestry account for a while which give you access to pretty much everything available digitally.
So I did not look into the jews / slave ownership thing specifically, just saying that data does not exist in the thousands of census records I've analyzed from ~1790 until 1940s or so.
My research was into my family. Going through census data back into the 1700s. Methodically analyzing all available data. Even had the premium ancestry account for a while which give you access to pretty much everything available digitally.
So I did not look into the jews / slave ownership thing specifically, just saying that data does not exist in the thousands of census records I've analyzed from ~1790 until 1940s or so.
i gotcha, im a lil slow. i think i have an ancestry tree something i can look back through. wonder if we were slave owners or indentured servents
i gotcha, im a lil slow. i think i have an ancestry tree something i can look back through. wonder if we were slave owners or indentured servents
https://poal.co/s/History/101815/85fd2cda-3b4d-48da-a8fb-1b42db8138fb
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-culpable-were-dutch-jews-in-the-slave-trade/
At one point, Jews controlled about 17 percent of the Caribbean trade in Dutch colonies
On the Caribbean island of Curacao, Dutch Jews may have accounted for the resale of at least 15,000 slaves landed by Dutch transatlantic traders, according to Seymour Drescher, a historian at the University of Pittsburgh. At one point, Jews controlled about 17 percent of the Caribbean trade in Dutch colonies, Drescher said.
I call BS on that 17% number, it's much higher IMO, because of the following
Jews were so influential in those colonies that slave auctions scheduled to take place on Jewish holidays often were postponed, according to Marc Lee Raphael, a professor of Judaic studies at the College of William & Mary.
So yeah, DUTCH jews had a 17% share
What about non dutch jews?
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5
JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade. In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.
Aaron Lopez
Start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Lopez
Aaron Lopez (1731–1782), born Duarte Lopez, was an Anglo-Portuguese Jewish merchant and philanthropist. Through his varied commercial ventures, he became the wealthiest person in Newport, Rhode Island, in British America. In 1761 and 1762, Lopez unsuccessfully sued the Colony of Rhode Island for citizenship.
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"Jewish merchant and philanthropist." < < SLAVE TRADER LOL
Thank you wikipekike
You made my day
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-culpable-were-dutch-jews-in-the-slave-trade/
At one point, Jews controlled about 17 percent of the Caribbean trade in Dutch colonies
On the Caribbean island of Curacao, Dutch Jews may have accounted for the resale of at least 15,000 slaves landed by Dutch transatlantic traders, according to Seymour Drescher, a historian at the University of Pittsburgh. At one point, Jews controlled about 17 percent of the Caribbean trade in Dutch colonies, Drescher said.
I call BS on that 17% number, it's much higher IMO, because of the following
**Jews were so influential in those colonies that slave auctions scheduled to take place on Jewish holidays often were postponed, according to Marc Lee Raphael, a professor of Judaic studies at the College of William & Mary.**
So yeah, DUTCH jews had a 17% share
What about non dutch jews?
...
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5
JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade.
In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.
Aaron Lopez
Start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Lopez
Aaron Lopez (1731–1782), born Duarte Lopez, was an Anglo-Portuguese Jewish merchant and philanthropist. Through his varied commercial ventures, he became the wealthiest person in Newport, Rhode Island, in British America. In 1761 and 1762, Lopez unsuccessfully sued the Colony of Rhode Island for citizenship.
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"Jewish merchant and philanthropist." < < SLAVE TRADER LOL
Thank you wikipekike
You made my day
I hate saying this, but Voat would probably be a better place to ask this question. They will actually have the answers, maybe.
I hate saying this, but Voat would probably be a better place to ask this question. They will actually have the answers, maybe.
"if someone could rewrite history " Um yeah.
"if someone could rewrite history " Um yeah.
do you know what i mean? rewrite history like what actually happened, not how its currently written and supposedly happened. the way history was written was by kikes, thats what i was taught in school. sorry for the bad grammar just here looking for answers
do you know what i mean? rewrite history like what actually happened, not how its currently written and supposedly happened. the way history was written was by kikes, thats what i was taught in school. sorry for the bad grammar just here looking for answers
I know what you mean, Im old, my history lessons were dif than yours Im sure. They are still mostly lies though.
edit: can you say white folk one more time please?
I know what you mean, Im old, my history lessons were dif than yours Im sure. They are still mostly lies though.
edit: can you say white folk one more time please?
Caucasian race :p what proper lingo do people use, ive been around voat too long and they got me out of the habit of caring about proper pronouns because why would i want to impress that crowd. and no one in real life seems that concerned. white folk, huh
Caucasian race :p what proper lingo do people use, ive been around voat too long and they got me out of the habit of caring about proper pronouns because why would i want to impress that crowd. and no one in real life seems that concerned. white folk, huh
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