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This split was the biggest coup in Jewish history, without removing England from the hold of Catholicism, the world would be a very different place today.

The influence of the Marranos in England began under Henry VIII (1509–1547). It initially coincided with that of the Venetians, who, in the 1530s, gained the upper hand over the king’s government by heavily indebting it. The moneylenders also played a crucial role in Henry’s matrimonial life, favoring his divorce from his first wife Catherine of Aragon, daughter of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile. The rupture of the king’s marriage foreshadowed that of the Spain-England alliance he had sealed, as well as his schism with the Catholic Church. Francesco Zorzi, a Franciscan monk from Venice, conversant in Hebrew and a collector of rabbinical and kabbalistic works, advised Henry VIII in his request for a divorce between 1527 and 1533. Another influential advisor was Thomas Cromwell, an obscure adventurer who, after serving rich merchants in Venice, returned to England, managed important affairs for the Church, and was elected to Parliament in 1523, becoming “chief minister” in 1532. Having gained the confidence of Henry VIII, he encouraged him to become the new Constantine by founding the Anglican Church, then became his business agent for the confiscation of church property, which he largely diverted for his own profit. Thomas Cromwell was surely a creature of the Venetian Marranos, if he was not a Marrano himself. Under Henry VIII, England became the stronghold of antipopeism, and its rivalry against powerful Catholic Spain was exacerbated.

Deeply involved in the development of printing in Antwerp and Amsterdam, the Calvinist Marranos actively contributed to the propaganda against Philip II, Spain, and Catholicism. In 1566 they triggered a revolt in Antwerp that spread to all the cities of Holland. In one year, 4,000 priests, monks, and nuns were killed, 12,000 nuns driven out of their convents, thousands of churches desecrated and ransacked, and countless monasteries destroyed with their libraries. Many Spanish contemporaries, like the poet Francisco de Quevedo (1580–1645), discerned a Jewish conspiracy at the source of these revolts and the concurrent decline of Spain.209 The revolts led to the independence of the United Provinces in 1579 (which Spain did not recognize until 1648). When Philip II temporarily took over Antwerp in 1585, Jews, Marranos, and Calvinists transferred their economic activity to Amsterdam.

This split was the biggest coup in Jewish history, without removing England from the hold of Catholicism, the world would be a very different place today. The influence of the Marranos in England began under Henry VIII (1509–1547). It initially coincided with that of the Venetians, who, in the 1530s, gained the upper hand over the king’s government by heavily indebting it. The moneylenders also played a crucial role in Henry’s matrimonial life, favoring his divorce from his first wife Catherine of Aragon, daughter of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile. The rupture of the king’s marriage foreshadowed that of the Spain-England alliance he had sealed, as well as his schism with the Catholic Church. Francesco Zorzi, a Franciscan monk from Venice, conversant in Hebrew and a collector of rabbinical and kabbalistic works, advised Henry VIII in his request for a divorce between 1527 and 1533. Another influential advisor was Thomas Cromwell, an obscure adventurer who, after serving rich merchants in Venice, returned to England, managed important affairs for the Church, and was elected to Parliament in 1523, becoming “chief minister” in 1532. Having gained the confidence of Henry VIII, he encouraged him to become the new Constantine by founding the Anglican Church, then became his business agent for the confiscation of church property, which he largely diverted for his own profit. Thomas Cromwell was surely a creature of the Venetian Marranos, if he was not a Marrano himself. Under Henry VIII, England became the stronghold of antipopeism, and its rivalry against powerful Catholic Spain was exacerbated. Deeply involved in the development of printing in Antwerp and Amsterdam, the Calvinist Marranos actively contributed to the propaganda against Philip II, Spain, and Catholicism. In 1566 they triggered a revolt in Antwerp that spread to all the cities of Holland. In one year, 4,000 priests, monks, and nuns were killed, 12,000 nuns driven out of their convents, thousands of churches desecrated and ransacked, and countless monasteries destroyed with their libraries. Many Spanish contemporaries, like the poet Francisco de Quevedo (1580–1645), discerned a Jewish conspiracy at the source of these revolts and the concurrent decline of Spain.209 The revolts led to the independence of the United Provinces in 1579 (which Spain did not recognize until 1648). When Philip II temporarily took over Antwerp in 1585, Jews, Marranos, and Calvinists transferred their economic activity to Amsterdam.

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Henry got into debt because he was a psycho warmonger, but incompetent enough to fail at all his ambitious plans to conquer France. Probably some of the foreign moneylenders were kikes, but there were still no kikes allowed in England since the reign of Based Longshanks.

Protestant / Catholic was more of a German / Latin split. The Catholic Church had reverted to Mediterranean cultural domination in the preceding centuries, after having been strongly influenced by the newly-converted Germanic nations in the earlier Middle Ages.

Henry was the son of a usurper. He was also a paranoid tyrant. He slaughtered much of the royal family for fear of rival claimants. He destroyed much of the old English nobility and replaced them with his yes-men. He wanted a son, hence a divorce from his first wife, which the Pope (for political reasons of his own) wouldn't grant. Henry also coveted the wealth of the Church. Cromwell was a rotten grifter POS for sure. But there was also growing opposition to Rome within the English Church, backed by the new Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer.

Redistribution of Church wealth and closure of many monasteries was inevitable and necessary by that time. It's crazy how large a percentage of all real estate the Church had monopolized, and how many monasteries and friaries there were. But Henry was driven by the desire for plunder to horrendous crimes.

Henry's relations with Spain were harmed by the divorce (wife 1 was a Spanish princess) not the break with Rome. Henry was allied with Spain again after a few years.

The revolt of the Netherlands again is bound up with Germanic resentment at Spanish rule. Philip treated the country as a province of the Spanish Empire.

The absorption of Jews and Moors into the Spanish population (on condition that they converted to Christianity - irrelevant from the racial POV) probably had something to do with Spain's decline, sure.

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Marranos were Jews that were forced to convert to Christianity but still practiced Judaism in private.

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If you're responding to this:-

The absorption of Jews and Moors into the Spanish population (on condition that they converted to Christianity - irrelevant from the racial POV) probably had something to do with Spain's decline, sure.

My point was that assimilating those non-European populations was a bad idea regardless of religion.

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you need to read the book. it details very well and identifies the marranos who played pivotal roles in everything you said. it's always more complicated than the surface information you're presented with.

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The Jews have usually been the friends of tyrants, and tyrants have usually been the friends of the Jews. Both being parasites and fearing the wrath of the people, they find their interests aligned. But even if indeed, some Jews were peripheral participants, that doesn't mean that the Jews caused the whole course of events.

To portray the Jews as omnipotent, and the Gentiles as impotent, is false and defeatist.

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yeah i never said that. but when u multiply their 'peripheral participance' in the cromwell affair and then the great revolution with william of orange taking over, yeah, they pretty much defeated catholicism in england, not 'protestants' who were just the working hands of their system.

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I love this shit. You got any books or good sources on these subjects??

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from yahweh to zion

it's very high iq

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Thanks fam. I’ll likely pick it up later this weekend. You ever heard of a book called something like “how a Jew chased a Jew to death.” It’s about the founding of Israel, I’ve seen it one time and I’ve never seen it again.

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I'm not an expert on the history of the period, but I very strongly suspect that the expulsion of the jews from Spain in 1492 resulted in a massive exodus of jews to spanish overseas territories, of which the Spanish Netherlands were one (of course many of them also ended up in South America).

Once there they formented the rebellion against Spain and established an independent state, backed by England. Once the state was established they turned on England and made war on them, first economically then literally. They eventually won during the second anglo-dutch war and established the Netherlands as a new european center of trade, stockbroking and banking.

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Fuck the Brits.

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they also helped the ottomans fight the christian russians, even though the turks had been massacring christian bulgars and others. britain helped force russia to give armenia back to the turks, who then went on to do the armenian genocide.

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Henry was an extremely pious theologian.

He had a real and personal problem with being forced to marry his brothers wife because he KNEW the marriage had been consummated before his brothers death.

He wrote the pope trying to discuss and get clarification for years before he decided to split with the church. It was the hypocrisy of catholicism that finally broke him from their grip.

The other stuff is secondary

Pious? What a crock of BS.

Henry was not "forced" to marry Catherine. In fact he refused to marry her. Only after he became king did he change his mind. At that point nobody could conceivably have forced him to marry against his will.

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Incorrect af. He was absolutely forced to marry her it was his duty or the entire alliance would've been off. They needed the money. He wouldn't have been made king if he hadn't have married her. And he wrote several treatises on different religious questions and from a young age was regarded as a top philosopher and theologian.

it was his duty or the entire alliance would've been off.

With Spain? It wasn't a new relationship and was built on opposition to France. But absent the alliance, he could have just not gone to war with France, stayed home and written some more of that great philosophy, theology, music and shit. I guess his renowned piety was only surpassed by his lust for martial glory.

wrote several treatises ... from a young age ... top philosopher ...

Personality cult BS exactly analogous to the abilitiies of Kim Jong Un as reported by the North Korean press.

Also the Roman Catholic Church had at that point had grown to be the biggest bully on the planet. And corrupt? The RCC invented corruption. From then on they said fuck you, we are starting our own church.

The bloodline of the royals were hijacked in the early 1300’s. They aren’t the real rulers of the uk.

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Well that argument (bloodlines) can be used against anyone ever for all time because it makes an arbitrary line in the sand. Same as "cultural appropriation" or "reparations". The Norman's were usurper invaders in the 11th century.(Billy the conq)

The Danes were usurper invaders in the 9th and 10th century.(cnut)

The Saxons and angles were usurper invaders in the 5th century.

The Roman's were usurper invaders in the 1st century.

So what bloodlines is we talking bout being legit?