> Anything else (pleasure, dominance, etc.) is ancillary I realize that - but having sex be pleasurable is an evolutionary trait geared toward reproduction. It is ancillary to the primary objective, which is continuation of the species. So to get lost to the pleasure as to lose sight of the goal is "anti-scientific." More realistically, it's morally objectionable - not that I haven't done the same myself, but yknow, I drink and shit too. It's one thing to indulge in pleasure in a controlled manner, it's a completely different (grotesque, hedonistic) thing to have it be the only focus. Anyway orgasm is an okay way to get started, it feels good and all, but it's not near as fulfilling as having children, cultivating them, watching them grow. Pleasure vs. happiness. \* fuck just saw the username