>i just more worry that the future for my kids will be actual violent third world run down shit holes So the real question becomes, "What have I done *today* to prepare them for that?" You see, I don't worry about my kids and grandkids because, in one way or another, we've been planning and preparing them their whole lives for "TEOTWAWKI". See, I've been at this since back in the 80's when we had the very real possibility of an all out nuclear war with the USSR hanging over all our heads every day like a dark cloud. Back then I'd be called a "survivalist", because, unlike the people who'd bought into the whole MAD line of horse shit, and had just given up and said, "Fuck it. We're all dead anyway.", I responded with, "You and yours, maybe. Not me and mine" Know the best thing about being prepared for a "worst case scenario"? You sleep better.