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I keep getting these subtle hints sent to me that they don't like something I'm doing.

What am I doing?

Removing those that hate/mock us, or are here to cause disruptions and kill our morale, among other things. Apparently someone's "free speech" to come in here trumps our right to assemble and have our own little corner of the internet. We all know they're not here to have any kind of real discussion, and most of them are probably paid to be here and cause this kind of havoc.

But here on Poal, there's no real ownership of a sub. No real boundaries we can set for users... because our banlist is SOOOO LONG. Globalist policies forcing us to accept "immigrants" just like Voat tried to force on us. I'd wager half the banlist is alts of people that just want to come here and start shit.

But hey, you can ignore like, what, 40 people now? OH YAY! How many of you would have block lists as long as my banlist if you could? Well, you can't.

I've tried pretty consistently to get clarification of rules and guidelines, and to get them in writing, but the admins seem pretty averse to setting anything in stone. The only real rule they have written anywhere in ToS or User Guide is that they can take this sub from me (or even a sub I make, myself) whenever they want, and for whatever reason they choose.

Bottom line:

They don't want to give me ownership of the sub.

Even if we swap to another sub that I created, they can take that away from me for doing what I'm doing.

Gab might be our best bet if something happens. We've done this before - a few times; doesn't hurt to do it once again. Click the link above and join.

Watch the sidebar for any changes to the mod team.

Check Gab if you don't see the stickies change now and then, or if something weird is going on.

Please leave any thoughts below.

https://gab.com/groups/30804 I keep getting these subtle hints sent to me that they don't like something I'm doing. What am I doing? Removing those that hate/mock us, or are here to cause disruptions and kill our morale, among other things. Apparently someone's "free speech" to come in here trumps our right to assemble and have our own little corner of the internet. We all know they're not here to have any kind of real discussion, and most of them are probably paid to be here and cause this kind of havoc. But here on Poal, there's no real ownership of a sub. No real boundaries we can set for users... because our banlist is SOOOO LONG. Globalist policies forcing us to accept "immigrants" just like Voat tried to force on us. I'd wager half the banlist is alts of people that just want to come here and start shit. But hey, you can ignore like, what, 40 people now? OH YAY! How many of you would have block lists as long as my banlist if you could? Well, you can't. I've tried pretty consistently to get clarification of rules and guidelines, and to get them in writing, but the admins seem pretty averse to setting anything in stone. The only real rule they have written anywhere in ToS or User Guide is that they can take this sub from me (or even a sub I make, myself) whenever they want, and for whatever reason they choose. Bottom line: They don't want to give me ownership of the sub. Even if we swap to another sub that I created, they can take that away from me for doing what I'm doing. Gab might be our best bet if something happens. We've done this before - a few times; doesn't hurt to do it once again. Click the link above and join. Watch the sidebar for any changes to the mod team. Check Gab if you don't see the stickies change now and then, or if something weird is going on. -- Please leave any thoughts below.

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[–] [Sticky] • 3 pts (edited )

Crensch you didn't create the sub. It was created by 1 year ago.

So it wouldn't be taking over the sub.

I would welcome anyone to check the sublog and look at your behavior and judge for themselves.

You have banned more people than any other sub on poal by far.

We the admins have done nothing but be accommodating to you. We haven't reversed a single ban you've made. We haven't taken the sub from you.

The only thing we haven't done is give you Owner status and that is because of your behavior banning people who haven't participated. Which you have now done multiple times.

I have spoken with you politely multiple times. I am trying to manage this situation in a respectful and professional way. However abusive mod behavior is against the Terms of Service. I wrote that in there specifically to handle situations where a mod wants me to bend a knee when they want to censor people.

I can't do that and you know I can't. You are being manipulative and underhanded and I don't appreciate it.

We expect if you want to remain here you will apologize for this nonsense and we can behave like adults. If not that is entirely up to you but we will not be coerced into letting someone censor people.

[–] • 0 pt

The only thing we haven't done is give you Owner status and that is because of your behavior banning people who haven't participated. Which you have now done multiple times.

This is where you lie.

I originally did that upon coming here when Voat shut down. You THEN informed me it was wrong... AFTER it became a problem for you, not when you first noticed it.

I agreed to NOT do that again.

You set the ground rules that if I didn't ban anyone for 10 days AT ALL, and then ONLY banned users that INTERACTED WITH (participated in) my sub.

I did EXACTLY that.

I can prove it.

Check the subs I've blocked. I can't even SEE other subs now. Why would I care what they did?

I have spoken with you politely multiple times. I am trying to manage this situation in a respectful and professional way. However abusive mod behavior is against the Terms of Service. I wrote that in there specifically to handle situations where a mod wants me to bend a knee when they want to censor people.

Show me where what I've done is abusive.

I can't do that and you know I can't. You are being manipulative and underhanded and I don't appreciate it.

I reached out to you and asked for specific guidelines. I FOLLOWED EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Show me a SINGLE user that DID NOT INTERACT WITH MY SUB since you stopped me from banning for 10 days.

JUST ONE.

We expect if you want to remain here you will apologize for this nonsense and we can behave like adults. If not that is entirely up to you but we will not be coerced into letting someone censor people.

You can apologize for leaving the threat open, not being clear with what I needed to do to acquire the sub, then when we finally (I thought) clarified, WHICH YOU CLARIFIED HERE I WAS RIGHT, and I DID EXACTLY THAT, you wrote to me and said you wouldn't give me the sub because of my banlist.

TL;DR:

I banned people.

You told me not to ban users that had not interacted with my sub.

I blocked EVERY sub that comes up in /new so I wouldn't even notice anyone outside of my sub.

I banned NOBODY that had not COMMENTED in my sub, which you just confirmed above IS THE EXACT stipulation.

My banlist growing has fuck-all to do with anything beyond the fact that THEY PARTICIPATED IN MY SUB and they don't belong.

You told me anyway that somehow what I have done is wrong, and I would not get the sub. That my banlist was NOT OKAY despite the fact that they ALL PARTICIPATED in my sub.

You told me that was a problem.

You ALSO told me that ALTS were not a thing here.

You lied. They pop up constantly.

I did my job. I held up my end of every single agreement we've had.

You must be the other guy.

[–] • 1 pt

Please re check the sub log. I think you might have forgotten some things that you did.

Crensch you can call me a liar, but the logs are public. Anyone can see them.

I'm not going to go through the logs and make a list of every single user and where they interacted with you and why you banned them. I recommend you check the logs.

I will not hand over Owner status of a sub to someone who can't handle dissenting opinions. If you had created the sub, which you are more than welcome to make one and you have the ability to do that. It wouldn't be any of my business but you are asking me to make an admin choice to hand a previously created sub owned by an undeleted user to you because you want it and if I don't do it you are going to make a huge deal about it and threaten me in PMs about making it a public debate.

That type of behavior shows me you are not someone I want to hand Ownership status of anything to.

I'm a pretty reasonable guy but I do not respond well to threats.

You wanted it public so here it is all out in the open.

You ban at the first sign of dissent, and if you had created it, it wouldn't be my business. However when you asked me to hand you ownership you made it my business. You are already a mod and I haven't done anything to change that.

I am sincerely sorry I can't do what you want but I have to follow my best judgement and the way you have behaved sets off some pretty loud alarm bells for me, specifically threats.

[–] • 0 pt

Please re check the sub log. I think you might have forgotten some things that you did.

Crensch you can call me a liar, but the logs are public. Anyone can see them.

I forgot nothing. I know exactly what I did and did not do.

I'm not going to go through the logs and make a list of every single user and where they interacted with you and why you banned them. I recommend you check the logs.

EVERY SINGLE USER POSTED A COMMENT IN MY THIS SUB.

I will not hand over Owner status of a sub to someone who can't handle dissenting opinions. If you had created the sub, which you are more than welcome to make one and you have the ability to do that. It wouldn't be any of my business but you are asking me to make an admin choice to hand a previously created sub owned by an undeleted user to you because you want it and if I don't do it you are going to make a huge deal about it and threaten me in PMs about making it a public debate.

You told me 4 days ago that my banlist was a problem for you and basically said you wouldn't hand it over to me. This submission wasn't up 4 days ago. None of this was public.

That type of behavior shows me you are not someone I want to hand Ownership status of anything to.

I'm a pretty reasonable guy but I do not respond well to threats.

Threats? I'm not threatening anything. I'm being gaslighted by you, and you're trying to paint me in a negative light. Your rejection of my request sent a message that I wrote in DMs to clarify. You refused to get back to me - why wouldn't I think you were basically on the verge of removing me? You'll forgive me for quoting what was in DM:

I've been defending your status as mod. I think you can adapt to poal's culture. We don't do powermodding here. Its just not going to be a thing.

I appreciate that. I do. But it reads as an inevitability of removal. "Powermodding" apparently defined as ??? I don't even know anymore. Too many bans? For the most hated sub on your platform? For the most hated USERS on your platform? Absurd.

... I just read your invitation to make my own sub so I'll stop there.

You'll leave my sub alone and I can ban all the jackwagons and have a banlog like this one and you won't intervene? I mean, AS LONG AS I DO NOT BAN ANYONE THAT HAS NOT INTERACTED WITH MY SUB, right?

If you're good with that, publicly, I'll move us all to another sub and we'll bury the hatchet here.

[–] • 0 pt

Crensch you didn't create the sub. It was created by 1 year ago.

So it wouldn't be taking over the sub.

If all I had to do was migrate them to another sub, I'd do that.

If you're still going to take a sub from me despite the fact that I made it, there's no reason to still be here.

[–] • 1 pt

If you're still going to take a sub from me

lol The sub doesn't belong to you and never will (you are just an appointed mod). No matter how much you're gonna brag about it. Especially after exposing your despicable attitude on mumble (last month) when talked to you in a very respectable way and you kept bragging "my sub".

[–] • 0 pt

I wasn't bragging.

Your rule about where subs go was not something I was aware of until your snide little ass finally explained it to me. It's not written anywhere in the ToS or UserGuide.

I asked repeatedly on mumble if moving to my own sub would solve this problem and the response SEEMED to be basically, "no".

Now that's the solution according to . So what will you say then, ? That banning users that interact with my sub is not okay?

[–] • 0 pt

I would welcome you to do that, so this would no longer be an issue that I need to deal with. You have the ability to make a sub nothing is stopping you.

[–] • 0 pt

I asked if this was the thing to do weeks ago on mumble and didn't get an answer.

I'd have done this then, and it wouldn't have been a problem for anyone.

Communicate clearly with me, dude. I'm a simple guy and only really care about moving forward.

[–] • 0 pt

So it wouldn't be taking over the sub.

That's exactly what it would be, and you know it. You didn't build this sub, or bring the users here, or help set it up with the [O] a year ago, or have responsibility for the users handed off to you.

Your silly "year-absent ownership goes to admins" isn't written in ToS or user guide, you TOLD me that over voice chat.

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

I haven't done anything first of all.

I also have in the ToS abusive mods may be removed at anytime(paraphrasing)

I am very sorry you are upset.

I would suggest you just create a sub and we put this unpleasantness behind us.

Edit: If/when you do, don't forget to introduce it in

[–] • 16 pts

Appreciate everything you do Crensch and how frustrating for you. Already signed up to Gab ready to go. It is what it is at the end of the day but they cannot stop what is coming :)

[–] • 7 pts (edited )

Yes, AOU has been pretty negative on Q from the beginning. So you have 3 strikes against you just for supporting Trump and Q.

But the good news is, these anti-Q'-ers are starting to wake up. Too much evidence piling up that things are FAR, FAR from NORMAL.....and at the same time, lining up perfectly with what Q prepared us for.

March 4 is not that far away. After that, you will be seen as a Genius of some kind for not flinching, and being unwavering in your convictions.

But hey, you can ignore like, what, 40 people now? OH YAY! How many of you would have block lists as long as my banlist if you could? Well, you can't.

Yes, I maxed my list out long ago.

Actually since you started banning people, this sub has been more "pleasant" and productive, when you don't have to deal with AI trolls constantly.

[–] • 6 pts

Ditto .... what Annie said. 😊

[–] • 4 pts

Ditto what Annie and rickki6 said.

(This just pisses me off)...

[–] • 9 pts

Why do they care who we ban or allow in the sub. There is the whole wide web universe for the haters to roam... but nope. Gotta invade our little house and demand we take the doors off the jams. You MUST allow them to punch you in the throat because it's "freedom!!!"

Funny that they can scream "muh free speech" but we can't exercise our right not to listen, read or engage. So in other words, they are forcing their will on a little sub by hypocritically claiming free speech. Typical leftie strategy.

What about (dot)win?

Thanks for putting up with all this bs, Crensch.

[–] [deleted] • 8 pts

I am sorry this is happening, Crensch -

You've been amazing dealing with all this - What can we do to help?

[–] • 6 pts

Thank you Crensch for ALL that you do for us here! I'm on gab and ready to go if SHTF.

[–] • 3 pts

Thanks for fighting the never ending stream of assholes, only here to start shit. Kudos Crensch!

[–] • 3 pts

TY for the heads up- ready for it if it happens. TY for all you keep doing-YOU HAVE BEEN GREAT ALL ALONG- not much longer now- always over the target- HOPEFULLY very soon.

[–] • 3 pts

Go to Valhalla I've been defending you guys as an ally I have seen such over the top troll attacks that I am getting closer and closer to becoming a Qtard<<< I say this with brotherly ribbing in mind.

Keep up the good fight and if the plan doesn't work let's make sure to keep the movement alive aka

  1. Work to end child trafficking rings and expose pedophiles
  2. Arrest and bring to justice the Bush Clinton crime families
  3. Drain the swamp end corruption
  4. My personal one end circumcision
[–] • 1 pt

I don't think I'm picking up 100% of what you're laying down here, but I can get on board with what I do understand. Also agree with number 4. Bastard kikes.

[–] • 2 pts

This is bad news and a real bummer. This is feeling like white flight.

[–] • 3 pts

Very much so. The analogy fits like a glove.

[–] • 2 pts

This is a tangent, but did the other mods disappear or do they lurk now?

[–] • 4 pts

As far as I know, they both left for good.

One was doxxed fully, had her family threatened with rape and murder, and had a violent convict show up at her home. Her family moved shortly after.

The other disappeared when she heard that happened.

[–] [deleted] • 4 pts

I just learned of that - That's horrible. I hope things are okay for her now.

[–] • 3 pts

They actually showed up at her house? WTF...I thot it was just threats/doxing.

Those who are complaining/causing trouble for us are (I'm guessing) the same group.

[–] • 2 pts

Thanks Crensch for being a vanguard against the Q hating trolls and putting up with all this bloody BS. I read through all your interactions with many Q haters and still can't believe how much they don't get it. This is a Pro-Conservative, Pro-Patriot, Pro-Constitution, Pro-Trump, Pro-Q, Pro-Christian forum and research group. If they don't agree with our discussions and discoveries, there is nothing stopping them from LEAVING. Their only contributions to date have been to attack anything they disagree with and then personally denigrate and label us just like good Socialist/Marxists do in the MSM. They have shown their quality and proven their inability to engage in any real intellectual discourse. Take care Patriot. WWG1WGA

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