and I copied the entire thing. I had to change some links to bitly ones since Facebook was blocking them
@111MrGuy111 and @LurkedForever I copied the entire thing. I had to change some links to bitly ones since Facebook was blocking them
Oh boy, I hope you paraphrased those comments, because otherwise you've just doxed yourself.
I don't know how to 'win' against q supporters. If they're genuine, ask them what could disprove their belief in q. What is their line in the sand. Ask about why no arrests? Why would this super secret q guy need them to know and believe in him without asking them to do anything? what would be the point? (that part came from ). Ultimately, if you cant get them to vocalize a line in the sand, nothing you will say will matter.
One thing is for sure, you can't insult or belittle them. The people who have been trapped by this psyop have been lied to and manipulated. You don't go to a 6 year old and say "How the fuck did you ever believe in Santa, you fucking S-tard? " same with the q supporters.
Oh boy, I hope you paraphrased those comments, because otherwise you've just doxed yourself.
I don't know how to 'win' against q supporters. If they're genuine, ask them what could disprove their belief in q. What is their line in the sand. Ask about why no arrests? Why would this super secret q guy need them to know and believe in him without asking them to do anything? what would be the point? (that part came from @111MrGuy111 ). Ultimately, if you cant get them to vocalize a line in the sand, nothing you will say will matter.
One thing is for sure, you can't insult or belittle them. The people who have been trapped by this psyop have been lied to and manipulated. You don't go to a 6 year old and say "How the fuck did you ever believe in Santa, you fucking S-tard? " same with the q supporters.
One thing is for sure, you can't insult or belittle them.
Insults and belittlement are the end of reasoned debate.
>One thing is for sure, you can't insult or belittle them.
Insults and belittlement are the end of reasoned debate.
I just removed my name, there's no way to find it.
I just removed my name, there's no way to find it.
Oh, ok, good.
Oh, ok, good.
If Q was legitimate he wouldn't have spread the cognitive dissonance invoking pedovore stories.
He wouldn't have told us all "soon" for years. He would have been honest that this was a multi year operation.
He wouldn't have avoided at all costs the gangstalking programs and victims that have suffered and died with no end.
If he has it all he would have sent all the gangstalking victims their files proving and ending this treason.
He would have exposed the psychotic behaviour and tactics of these pedos and helped us all spot this and call it all out. But now we are all being gaslighted and abused.
He would have got us all behind an effort to make brain scans mandatory for all positions of power and authority but that didn't happen either.
No one with any degree of empathy would have allowed this shit to continue. So Q is obviously a psychopath like the rest of the cabal.
We have all been told to trust a plan that we are not privy too. Like a used car salesman saying trust me while selling a lemon.
And how many have been murdered by the covid response and the vaccine already?
No wonder the prick fucked off before we doxed him.
If Q was legitimate he wouldn't have spread the cognitive dissonance invoking pedovore stories.
He wouldn't have told us all "soon" for years. He would have been honest that this was a multi year operation.
He wouldn't have avoided at all costs the gangstalking programs and victims that have suffered and died with no end.
If he has it all he would have sent all the gangstalking victims their files proving and ending this treason.
He would have exposed the psychotic behaviour and tactics of these pedos and helped us all spot this and call it all out. But now we are all being gaslighted and abused.
He would have got us all behind an effort to make brain scans mandatory for all positions of power and authority but that didn't happen either.
No one with any degree of empathy would have allowed this shit to continue. So Q is obviously a psychopath like the rest of the cabal.
We have all been told to trust a plan that we are not privy too. Like a used car salesman saying trust me while selling a lemon.
And how many have been murdered by the covid response and the vaccine already?
No wonder the prick fucked off before we doxed him.
Help me win
Just copy and paste this. They can’t respond in any capacity.
Establishing legitimacy
Let’s talk about statistics. Let’s talk about the concept itself. What the fuck does that have to do with anything regarding the court system? What does that have to do with anything Q-LARP has claimed it knows? Look at the number of people who have Q-level clearance. All none of them. What’s the likelihood that any of them are committing an executable offense by posting on an imageboard? Look at the posts. Why don’t they say anything? Someone that important–if it actually has knowledge he wants to disseminate–is also not going to type cryptic bullshit. It’s also not going to ask questions that it doesn’t answer. It’s going to explicitly release real data, with citations, directly from a source. The sum total of Q-LARP is an exercise in Everything it has said is too vague to actually mean anything. It never says anything of any value or specificity. A combination of , confirmation bias, and does the rest. PEOPLE ARE LOST. THEY ARE BROKEN. THEY FEEL WORTHLESS AND WEAK AND POWERLESS. WHAT BETTER WAY TO PREY ON THEM THAN TO CONTROL THE OPPOSITION? They won’t question you if you can trick them this way.
Establishing trustworthiness
Someone that important is, statistically, owned by jews. It’s just that simple. In fact, Q-LARP is entirely owned by jews. It admits it. It openly admits to being civic nationalist. It doesn’t support a restoration of the US or Europe to being white-only nations. It doesn’t support deportation of nonwhites. Since the first week, it has called for protection of nonwhites, from the whites who would see them deported/killed. It openly calls for regime change in Iran for the sole purpose of fulfilling the Q-LARP has publicly stated it has no intention of removing jews from the West or punishing jews collectively.
Establishing realism
What purpose is served by leaking the proceedings of nationwide martial law and the arrest of three quarters of the US government… THREE ENTIRE YEARS early? Why is that helpful to anyone except the people toward whom it is supposedly directed? Oh, and why has it taken so long? THREE ENTIRE YEARS of waiting is THREE ENTIRE YEARS to prepare. You realize that even the group that Q-LARP talks about is one of the highest flight risks on earth, right? Why would anyone want to give them time to escape? How does that help us? It doesn’t. It helps THEM. It helps them so much that it hurts us. This is on purpose. Q-LARP exists to create an Orwellian narrative about “the bad people being arrested”, so that when all the good people are arrested they will say that good people are bad people, and the stupid Q-LARPing masses will simply believe it and help commit their own genocide. We’ve already seen this for 70 years. Why do you think it isn’t continuing?
Why would someone ostensibly leaking the proceedings not actually leak any information? Why would someone who claims to be on our side not give us a playbook for how to operate during the event? Why isn’t it telling us how to become leaders of our community to calm the terrified millions around us–who will inevitably exist once the media starts reporting on the “Trump coup”, or when they see their favorite media reporters arrested by the military live on air? Why is Q-LARP a civic nationalist? How does that help America? How is Trump is magically insulated during what will be painted internationally as a soft coup? Why would the apparatus allow him to engage in this coup to the extent that he would actually be protected? Why does the coup–by Q-LARP’s own admission–not cover the actual PROBLEMS facing this country? Even if Q-LARP is a real “organization” of a sort, everything it says points to the action as being nothing more than “Part A of the ZOG wants to do something Part B of the ZOG doesn't.”
Establishing results
If there is something, why is nothing Q-LARP said would happen happening? Where’s the Emergency Broadcast System announcement? Where’s Trump using Obama’s emergency television override to speak to the people? Where’s the martial law? Where are the riots it talked about during said martial law? Where’s the Huma arrest? Where are the Podesta arrests? They were supposed to be in custody by now; no one has any information on that beyond your continued shilling campaign.
Establishing psychology
Already touched on this at the end of the first section. So Q-LARP’s going to arrest most of the US government, right? All the bad people going away. And what’s this? It says that WE won’t have to grab our guns and help out? Why, that’s exactly what we would want! Happy day! All of our dreams are coming true, and we didn’t even have to put in an ounce of work ourselves! Hooray! It’s over! We’re saved! Don’t ever question the validity of these claims! Just spend THREE ENTIRE YEARS ignoring everything else that is ACTUALLY happening around the world, never mind your own wildly successful campaign of “It’s okay to be white.” Because nothing ever came from YOU doing an honest day’s work!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. THE ZOG WILL NOT ARREST THE ZOG. ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU TO SIT ON YOUR ASS AND DO NOTHING IS NOT ONLY LYING TO YOU, HE IS A JEWISH SHILL.
Explain your reason for believing otherwise.
Establishing inconsistencies
- If, as Q-LARP , there are more patriots than traitors in the government, why did they let the last 75 years happen?
- If, as Q-LARP , Obama went to North Korea, where is the evidence?
- If, as Q-LARP says, the CIA/alphabet agencies were responsible for the 11 minute Twitter takedown of POTUS account, where is the evidence?
- If, as Q-LARP , elections no longer matter, where is the evidence?
- If, as Q-LARP , martial law is inbound, where is the evidence?
- If, as Q-LARP says, mass arrests of the government are inbound, where is the evidence?
>Help me win
Just copy and paste this. They can’t respond in any capacity.
#Establishing legitimacy
Let’s talk about statistics. Let’s talk about the concept itself. [Q-level clearance exists within the Department of Energy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_clearance) **What** the fuck does that have to do with anything regarding the court system? **What** does that have to do with *anything* Q-LARP has claimed it knows? Look at the number of people who have Q-level clearance. All none of them. **What’s** the likelihood that any of them are committing an executable offense by posting on an imageboard? Look at the posts. **Why** don’t they say anything? Someone that important–if it actually has knowledge he wants to disseminate–is also not going to type cryptic bullshit. It’s also not going to ask questions that it doesn’t answer. It’s going to explicitly release real data, with citations, directly from a source. The sum total of Q-LARP is an exercise in [postdiction.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postdiction) Everything it has said is too vague to actually mean anything. It never says anything of any value or specificity. A combination of [pareidolia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia), confirmation bias, and [apophenia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia) does the rest. PEOPLE ARE LOST. THEY ARE BROKEN. THEY FEEL WORTHLESS AND WEAK AND POWERLESS. WHAT BETTER WAY TO PREY ON THEM THAN TO CONTROL THE OPPOSITION? *They won’t question you if you can trick them this way.*
#Establishing trustworthiness
Someone that important is, statistically, owned by jews. It’s just that simple. In fact, Q-LARP is entirely owned by jews. ***It admits it.*** It openly admits to being civic nationalist. It doesn’t support a restoration of the US or Europe to being white-only nations. It doesn’t support deportation of nonwhites. Since the first week, it has called for protection of nonwhites, from the whites who would see them deported/killed. It openly calls for regime change in Iran for the sole purpose of fulfilling the [Oded Yinon Plan.](http://smoloko.com/?p=3308) Q-LARP has publicly stated it has no intention of removing jews from the West or punishing jews collectively.
#Establishing realism
**What** purpose is served by leaking the proceedings of nationwide martial law and the arrest of three quarters of the US government… ***THREE ENTIRE YEARS*** early? **Why** is that helpful to anyone except the people toward whom it is supposedly directed? Oh, and **why** has it taken so long? THREE ENTIRE YEARS of waiting is THREE ENTIRE YEARS to prepare. You realize that even the group that Q-LARP talks about is one of the highest flight risks on earth, right? **Why** would anyone want to give them time to escape? **How** does that help us? It doesn’t. It helps THEM. It helps them so much that it hurts us. This is on purpose. Q-LARP exists to create an Orwellian narrative about “the bad people being arrested”, so that when all the good people are arrested they will say that good people are bad people, and the stupid Q-LARPing masses will simply believe it and help commit their own genocide. We’ve already seen this for 70 years. **Why** do you think it isn’t continuing?
**Why** would someone ostensibly leaking the proceedings not actually leak any information? **Why** would someone who claims to be on our side not give us a playbook for how to operate during the event? **Why** isn’t it telling us how to become leaders of our community to calm the terrified millions around us–who will inevitably exist once the media starts reporting on the “Trump coup”, or when they see their favorite media reporters arrested by the military live on air? **Why** is Q-LARP a civic nationalist? **How** does that help America? **How** is Trump is magically insulated during what will be painted internationally as a soft coup? **Why** would the apparatus allow him to engage in this coup to the extent that he would actually be protected? **Why** does the coup–by Q-LARP’s own admission–not cover the actual PROBLEMS facing this country? Even if Q-LARP is a real “organization” of a sort, everything it says points to the action as being nothing more than “Part A of the ZOG wants to do something Part B of the ZOG doesn't.”
#Establishing results
If there is something, **why** is nothing Q-LARP said would happen happening? **Where’s** the Emergency Broadcast System announcement? **Where’s** Trump using Obama’s emergency television override to speak to the people? **Where’s** the martial law? **Where** are the riots it talked about during said martial law? **Where’s** the Huma arrest? **Where** are the Podesta arrests? They were supposed to be in custody by now; no one has any information on that beyond your continued shilling campaign.
#Establishing psychology
Already touched on this at the end of the first section. So Q-LARP’s going to arrest most of the US government, right? All the bad people going away. And what’s this? It says that WE won’t have to grab our guns and help out? Why, that’s exactly what we would want! Happy day! All of our dreams are coming true, and we didn’t even have to put in an ounce of work ourselves! Hooray! It’s over! We’re saved! *Don’t ever question the validity of these claims!* Just spend THREE ENTIRE YEARS ignoring everything else that is ACTUALLY happening around the world, never mind your own wildly successful campaign of “It’s okay to be white.” Because nothing ever came from YOU doing an honest day’s work!
***THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. THE ZOG WILL NOT ARREST THE ZOG. ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU TO SIT ON YOUR ASS AND DO NOTHING IS NOT ONLY LYING TO YOU, HE IS A JEWISH SHILL.***
Explain your reason for believing otherwise.
#Establishing inconsistencies
* If, as Q-LARP [says](https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147434025), there are more patriots than traitors in the government, ***why did they let the last 75 years happen?***
* If, as Q-LARP [says](https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147547939/#147588085), Obama went to North Korea, where is the evidence?
* If, as Q-LARP says, the CIA/alphabet agencies were responsible for the 11 minute Twitter takedown of POTUS account, where is the evidence?
* If, as Q-LARP [says](https://qposts.online/post/112), elections no longer matter, where is the evidence?
* If, as Q-LARP [says](https://qposts.online/post/2460), martial law is inbound, where is the evidence?
* If, as Q-LARP says, mass arrests of the government are inbound, where is the evidence?
Tallest... less is more.
Tallest... less is more.
Translation: “I have ADHD and can’t spend two minutes reading a single post.”
That’s the Q-LARPers’ problem, not mine.
Translation: “I have ADHD and can’t spend two minutes reading a single post.”
That’s the Q-LARPers’ problem, not mine.
You're spending the time to try and convince them right? Tailor your message to the audience.
You're spending the time to try and convince them right? Tailor your message to the audience.
You forgot two links for "If, as Q-LARP says, the CIA/alphabet agencies were responsible for the 11 minute Twitter takedown of POTUS account, where is the evidence?" and "If, as Q-LARP says, mass arrests of the government are inbound, where is the evidence?"
You forgot two links for "If, as Q-LARP says, the CIA/alphabet agencies were responsible for the 11 minute Twitter takedown of POTUS account, where is the evidence?" and "If, as Q-LARP says, mass arrests of the government are inbound, where is the evidence?"
I'm glad to see your q rants weren't lost to the ages when Voat died.
I'm glad to see your q rants weren't lost to the ages when Voat died.
help me win an argument with qtards
You can't. The true believers must see the truth for themselves, but they will refuse; they're fully indoctrinated in the ways of thought-killing statements. Any outsider pointing out the numerous and obvious (to the rest of us) flaws can be immediately dismissed as "heretics":
"Shill!"
"Soros shareblue stooge!"
"Hillary voter!"
"Biden voter!"
"Pedo!"
...and so on. It's much like arguing with "leftists."
Go in not with the goal of convincing the true q believers, but the fence-sitters instead.
Throw some copypasta at them. I'm sure he'll let you use it if you ask nicely. Might pull someone back from the ledge before they take a really retarded swan dive.
>help me win an argument with qtards
You can't. The true believers must see the truth for themselves, but they will refuse; they're fully indoctrinated in the ways of thought-killing statements. Any outsider pointing out the numerous and obvious (to the rest of us) flaws can be immediately dismissed as "heretics":
"Shill!"
"Soros shareblue stooge!"
"Hillary voter!"
"Biden voter!"
"Pedo!"
...and so on. It's much like arguing with "leftists."
Go in not with the goal of convincing the true q believers, but the fence-sitters instead.
Throw some @TallestSkil copypasta at them. I'm sure he'll let you use it if you ask nicely. Might pull someone back from the ledge before they take a really retarded swan dive.
If it were me, I would begin with "Is it the dog that wags the tail or the tail that wags the dog?". This would be an introduction into a back and forth, ultimately leading them to question how the 'q-drops' came to form -- lead them to answer the legitimacy of their own beliefs.
If it were me, I would begin with *"Is it the dog that wags the tail or the tail that wags the dog?"*. This would be an introduction into a back and forth, ultimately leading them to question how the 'q-drops' came to form -- lead them to answer the legitimacy of their own beliefs.
I'll keep that in mind. Thank you
I'll keep that in mind. Thank you
Don't ever expect full belief conversion from anyone, because most people are too proud to admit it, or to accept it. The best that you can hope for is to expose them to a reasoned argument. After that, it's up to them what they do with that knowledge, but it cannot be forgotten.
Some people like to post walls of texts or links to walls of text... this gets ignored; human nature is lazy. Your most potent 'weapon' is the question mark.
Learn about Logical Fallacies and use them as much as possible.
Don't ever expect full belief conversion from anyone, because most people are too proud to admit it, or to accept it. The best that you can hope for is to *expose* them to a reasoned argument. After that, it's up to them what they do with that knowledge, but it cannot be forgotten.
Some people like to post walls of texts or links to walls of text... this gets ignored; human nature is lazy. Your most potent 'weapon' is the question mark.
Learn about Logical Fallacies and use them as much as possible.
I will thank you
I will thank you
Maybe you should take a step back and figure out why you are engaged in this argument in the first place. Are you genuinely concerned about these people and trying to influence their opinions and beliefs, or are you just trying to win an argument for the sake of winning?
Maybe you should take a step back and figure out why you are engaged in this argument in the first place. Are you genuinely concerned about these people and trying to influence their opinions and beliefs, or are you just trying to win an argument for the sake of winning?
I'm concerned about the damage these people can do because of their beliefs
I'm concerned about the damage these people can do because of their beliefs
It was a rhetorical question, my friend. If you truly want to influence a person’s beliefs, you need to carefully consider the language you are using and how you frame your argument, among other things. By using language such as “Q Anon is a Psyop. Please disregard any Q posts”, you have completely alienated your audience and put them on the defensive. Of course you know that most arguments on the internet/social media turn into pissing matches, and even if someone wins the argument, minds and opinions are rarely changed.
Use inclusive language. Demonstrate common ground between you and your adversary. In fact stop thinking about them as an adversary, but rather as a human being that you deeply care for. If you don’t give a shit about them, then at least make an attempt to. Also, stop thinking about it in terms of a debate or an argument. Instead, think of it as the two of you trying to find a mutual solution to a problem that both of you face. And above all, be open to new information. You have to carefully consider your opponent’s viewpoint, even if you think Qanon is bullshit and a psyop and you’ve been over this ground a hundred times before. The only obstacle to finding the truth is the assumption that you already have it.
I know, this is snowflake tier shit, but it’s the world we live in brother. This nation is deeply divided, and we have lost the ability to find common ground and to have healthy discussions about how to overcome our mutual problems. Instead, our discussion have devolved into hate-filled shouting matches where each side tries to shove their viewpoint down the other’s throat.
We either find common ground and find a way to reconcile the people of this nation (and the world), or this turns into a bloody civil war. We are perilously close to the precipice...
It was a rhetorical question, my friend. If you truly want to influence a person’s beliefs, you need to carefully consider the language you are using and how you frame your argument, among other things. By using language such as “Q Anon is a Psyop. Please disregard any Q posts”, you have completely alienated your audience and put them on the defensive. Of course you know that most arguments on the internet/social media turn into pissing matches, and even if someone wins the argument, minds and opinions are rarely changed.
Use inclusive language. Demonstrate common ground between you and your adversary. In fact stop thinking about them as an adversary, but rather as a human being that you deeply care for. If you don’t give a shit about them, then at least make an attempt to. Also, stop thinking about it in terms of a debate or an argument. Instead, think of it as the two of you trying to find a mutual solution to a problem that both of you face. And above all, be open to new information. You have to carefully consider your opponent’s viewpoint, even if you think Qanon is bullshit and a psyop and you’ve been over this ground a hundred times before. The only obstacle to finding the truth is the assumption that you already have it.
I know, this is snowflake tier shit, but it’s the world we live in brother. This nation is deeply divided, and we have lost the ability to find common ground and to have healthy discussions about how to overcome our mutual problems. Instead, our discussion have devolved into hate-filled shouting matches where each side tries to shove their viewpoint down the other’s throat.
We either find common ground and find a way to reconcile the people of this nation (and the world), or this turns into a bloody civil war. We are perilously close to the precipice...
EEW! FACEBOK QUOTES!
NOW WE HAVE AIDS!!!
EEW! FACEBOK QUOTES!
NOW WE HAVE ***AIDS!!!***
Will it harm my standing with babies and dogs? They LOVE me ON SIGHT. I'm SO pretty.
Will it harm my standing with babies and dogs? They LOVE me ON SIGHT. I'm SO pretty.
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