>As someone who writes code, I know about abstraction. Having abstract concepts has nothing to do with any kind of higher beings. I never said it was. The point of immaterial abstractions is that it's related to metaphysics, not God. But all of this ties in directly with previous points made, that atheism is the default and requires no indoctrination. And you believe that without any outside influences, a person would just default to the assumption that the entire universe just popped into existence out of nothing. Spontaneously. What's the likelihood of that anyways? It's more like the entire reason for believing or speculating on something so absurd is because it's pretty much the only way to explain the origins of the Universe **without** metaphysics. I have a fuck ton of trouble believing you are actually objectively weighing probabilities when you are consistently placing not just your thumb but your entire fist on the scale in favor of the position you just happen to believe. I very rarely, if ever, see any type of nuance in discussions with atheists. It just devolves into a circle jerk about sky daddies and tea cups. It's like pulling teeth just to get to this point of discourse, when this is just the basics that should already be universally discussed and understood. Since supposedly it's all about rationality, logic and evidence.