But consider that you are being told that co2 traps heat well. I'm not being "told" anything, I can go look all this up... [infrared absorption spectra](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Mid-infrared_absorption_spectra_of_Gases.png/1200px-Mid-infrared_absorption_spectra_of_Gases.png) >That the prevalent greenhouses gases overlap the frequency co2 absorbs light. I see a stand-alone spike at ~4um (2.7, 4.3, 15 µM) >But also told that co2 is a tiny part of the atmosphere. oxygen and nitrogen form 99% of the atmosphere and they do nothing, **the remaining 1% is what does the absorption**, so water vapour (0-4%) and CO2 (0.04%) and CH4 (0.00017%) look at methane there, an even tinier amount but is far more effective water vapour doesn't cover the entire globe evenly and is held close to the surface, but CO2 fills the atmosphere up evenly and all the way up to 50km, height makes the insulating effect more effective That seems reasonable to me >So add the facts together and wonder how the conclusion you are told can possibly be true? both your premises (doesn't absorb / but tiny amount) are wrong We can control CO2 and methane (and fluorocarbons), we can't control much else >Fifty years on this earth and no change for me let alone worse Maybe you live in a city then. I'm in rural UK, we notice changes. I remember heavy snow every other winter, and predictable summers About 25 years ago we stopped getting snow (go look it up), summers are really hot now but with random weeks of rain, we get less wind now, but when it does come it is much more violent. >Are you sure that you are not suffering psychosis? what do flat earthers, moon landings, chemtrails, alt-climate, fluoride, 5G nanobot vaccine people all have in common? Their alternative science, which is somehow always right and everyone else is lying because they are lizards or something. That the handful of clever people who support the tinfoil are somehow more right then the 99% of papers that support it? I think it's significant that the only people thinking this is normal are Right Wing. This is a general problem for the Right, by nature we are more paranoid, more hostile to change and more distrusting of outgroups. So every time you think you "know something to be true" because you saw it on here, you have to understand the inherent bias of your own psychology. . Just look at this: https://vimeo.com/721900811 does *any* of those changes look even remotely normal to you? . if it doesn't look normal, wouldn't you want to understand why everything suddenly started getting obviously shitty around 20-30 years ago? I have no idea why someone would go out of their way to pretend this isn't strange other than they are just following everyone else on Poal. It's fine if you think this was really caused by disco music and tiktok, personally I think the graphs of CO2 exactly matching temperature increases are more significant. even if I had no other input than a chemistry book I would start by looking at the effects of industrial man on climate first, because that's obviously going to be a factor in any sudden unpredicted change. If I noticed a CO2/CH4 graph and knew absolutely nothing about any other factors, I would come to the same conclusion here. I could point to those and notice they were the only things that were changing at the same rate as temperature was. Even if you think it's some natural earth cycle, if 99% of people are saying this planet is going to get really uncomfortable soon, wouldn't you want to do something about that rather than sit on your hands, or worse, tell everyone else it isn't happening because Trump wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear?