I've been face to face with patriot front type groups - identity ervopa. They helped us fight back antifa and get a pro trump march we had set up to actually walk. I've seen videos of identity ervopa fighting antifa. PF aren't feds just because they would fit the way they would perfectly want to portray us, or because they're doing stuff they would demonize. I was looking through patriot front's twitter or site and I noticed they don't actually do *anything* game changing. They pretty much just go out and promote their brand and one or two ultra weak slogans, that are so weak / barely worded they could be dog whistled out of their main meaning to anyone. After seeing their slogans, I did notice they are posting on sites like TD and they are getting naturally upvoted. So they seem to be out there influencing in a way that sites like TD etc would agree with.