They are, there use to be several clips on jootube of the Doctor/ scientist dude (cant remember his name) who showed through official pharma docs/ funding and convos they purposely created HIV from 'GOF' and publically confronted the Dr Gallo (iirc) on this very matter , knowing Gallo had been provably working on these things to which Gallo was like a deer in head lights denying the very things he was an 'expert in and provably working on' wasnt possible and didnt exist. Fauci was also in the background of it too with pushing the expensive HIV drug - that killed more than it supposedly saved (fancy that)