Vaccinated people can infect the unvaccinated

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The vaccines, according to the left wing propaganda, use the same mechanism as a viral infection. The solution in the needle upon injection invades cells and makes them create the spike protein in the same way a virus invades a cell and "hijacks" it.

Is it possible that people become infectious in the same way a natural virus spreads ?

I don't buy the virus' aren't real line. I listened to one interview with Dr Andrew (((Kaufman))) and he did not strike me as credible and I believe he is the main source of this line of thought.

There is also Dr Geert van den Bosch. I am suspicious of him because he has worked for Bill n Melinda at Gavi. He claims the vaccinated will become super spreaders of worse strains of the virus as it evolves to evade the defense system. The "leaky" vax theory as seen in the studies of Mereks in chickens. Is it possible that it this mechanism that is affecting the unvaxed?

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Is it possible that people become infectious in the same way a natural virus spreads ?

Yeah Ive thought about this. Maybe alot of the spike protein is being produced by cells in your respiratory tract and you sneeze them out and they go up someones nose.

Or a lot of spike proteins end up in your intestines and get in to someones mouth through the fecal/oral model of viral transmission.

The problem is these spike proteins dont replicate so they would not likely get past your mucus membranes or GI tract in significant quantities to cause an immune reaction strong enough to get thrombocytopenia. I mean pollen gets up your nose. But it doesnt cause a fever or cause platelet destruction typically. Hows it getting in to the cirulatory system of these unvaxed people?

Plus I think the spike proteins are not going to be produced in large numbers by cells in your upper respiratory tract or GI tract. I think they are only being produced in large numbers in your lymph and circulatory systems. Spike proteins in your vascular tissue, not you nose and mouth.

I did see a little of what Geert van den Bossche was saying. He is supposing that the virus will live on, passed between vaccinated people due to the leakey vax effect and mutate into variants faster than it otherwise would have. He gave an interview to Bret Weinstein that I was planning on listening to later.

I think the the wonks at the CDC/WHO are worried about something like what Bossche is saying. If a significantly different strain arises than the risk of a more severe infection occuring in young healthy individuals because of the ADE phenomenon (antibody dependent enhancement) which is something I dont understand well but is known to happen with this class of virus.

In this case, very young healthy people could get very sick. That is why they made these vaxes so strong, to prevent leaking.

But I dont think this virus will mutate too fast. Coronaviruses have some sort of genetic error checking function in their replication which causes them to mutate quite slowly. In a year when more people have been vaccinated or infected the mutation frequency will go down ( fewer opportunities to mutate ). Apparently the mutation rate is much slower than with influenza.

I kind of get what he is saying . If a ADE inducing variant occurs which can exploit the immunity of everyone getting vaccinated now because they are essentially immune to the same strain ( not really a natural occurance) then maybe a whole bunch of young healthy people with vigorous immune systems are fucked.

Its kinda theoretical. But ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine would probably still work pretty well on those people.

>Is it possible that people become infectious in the same way a natural virus spreads ? Yeah Ive thought about this. Maybe alot of the spike protein is being produced by cells in your respiratory tract and you sneeze them out and they go up someones nose. Or a lot of spike proteins end up in your intestines and get in to someones mouth through the fecal/oral model of viral transmission. The problem is these spike proteins dont replicate so they would not likely get past your mucus membranes or GI tract in significant quantities to cause an immune reaction strong enough to get thrombocytopenia. I mean pollen gets up your nose. But it doesnt cause a fever or cause platelet destruction typically. Hows it getting in to the cirulatory system of these unvaxed people? Plus I think the spike proteins are not going to be produced in large numbers by cells in your upper respiratory tract or GI tract. I think they are only being produced in large numbers in your lymph and circulatory systems. Spike proteins in your vascular tissue, not you nose and mouth. I did see a little of what Geert van den Bossche was saying. He is supposing that the virus will live on, passed between vaccinated people due to the leakey vax effect and mutate into variants faster than it otherwise would have. He gave an interview to Bret Weinstein that I was planning on listening to later. I think the the wonks at the CDC/WHO are worried about something like what Bossche is saying. If a significantly different strain arises than the risk of a more severe infection occuring in young healthy individuals because of the ADE phenomenon (antibody dependent enhancement) which is something I dont understand well but is known to happen with this class of virus. In this case, very young healthy people could get very sick. That is why they made these vaxes so strong, to prevent leaking. But I dont think this virus will mutate too fast. Coronaviruses have some sort of genetic error checking function in their replication which causes them to mutate quite slowly. In a year when more people have been vaccinated or infected the mutation frequency will go down ( fewer opportunities to mutate ). Apparently the mutation rate is much slower than with influenza. I kind of get what he is saying . If a ADE inducing variant occurs which can exploit the immunity of everyone getting vaccinated now because they are essentially immune to the same strain ( not really a natural occurance) then maybe a whole bunch of young healthy people with vigorous immune systems are fucked. Its kinda theoretical. But ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine would probably still work pretty well on those people.

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