Oh ok. I don't really disagree with anything you said or listed there for me - thanks. However my stance has nothing to do what those bug eye chinks might or might not be doing. Wanting to defer from partaking in this 'investigation vaccine and be a part of the ongoing signal monitoring' is simply not supporting the ccp or 'falling for their propaganda'. My reasons are based simply on screes of publicly available data, research literature, scientific studies, forensic analysis etc and other 'well defined and reasoned opinion' with a slew of anecdotal news, video and obituary information.
Pushing these 'Experimental mRNA Gene therapies' on billions of people (including the completely healthy and the very young who are both in no need of any actual medical intervention to start with) is a complete (deliberate) disaster.
If someone is pro-vaccine, cool for them. But why there not a traditional vaccine in the works - why the actual need for a completely new to market method of delivery for a 'vaccine' ??. Maybe because without EUA and a pandemic with no existing therapies to combat it , a traditional vaccine has to follow pre-set regulatory processes that require multiple years (8-10 yrs) of full and complete regime of trials and safety analysis before it can be approved 'safe' for mass use.
And no i didn't find it odd 'anti-vaxx crap' took off after jan 2021. People have always valued their own personal agency to choose whatever is best for them and their family before this 'new normal' of mandatory demands/ vaccination made under emergency powers by Officials in Authority under the premise of ' it's for your own good to get your freedoms back or you get nothing' - That is what likely hardened some of the peoples outlook that were already sitting on the fence.
To respond to the ccp claim - a broken clock is right twice a day -even if they are pushing propaganda (i wasn't aware of it) but still, none of that changes my mind to relinquish my right to informed consent.
My reasons are based simply on screes of publicly available data, research literature, scientific studies, forensic analysis etc and other 'well defined and reasoned opinion' with a slew of anecdotal news, video and obituary information.
Then your reasoning is 100% not based on research literature, available data, scientific studies, and forensic analysis.
Because all credible research should lead you to conclude the exact opposite but it hasn't. Because you've fallen victim to the CCP disinformation machine. Convincing you that you've fallen for it and having you change your mind is nearly impossible, at this point.
I was where you are about 8-9 months ago. I was waiting for the data and research to come in. It started pouring in around April 2021. And none of the credible science matched up with my position. I had no choice but to amend it. It wasn't until June when I got reports (what I do for a living, I have to work hard to protect the US from bad guys - I don't want to reveal my profession but I do lots of science and risk management) on what China was doing that I was deeply disappointed in myself for falling for the CCP Propaganda. I didn't know that this was what I was falling for. It's not that the vaccine are perfect: they are not. But they are not this killing, blood clotting, "spreads COVID-19!", "DNA Vaccines!" stupid shit that people keep saying.
I'm not saying you your self are retarded. You're clearly not. It's just nearly impossible to convince anyone, after the disinformation as taken such deep roots, that they were hoodwinked, bamboozled, tricked.
Anyway, I'm not going to get anywhere trying to convince you of anything. However, you at least know enough that the CCP is behind most of the antivax stuff that you'll spread the word. At least tell folks to stop reading news articles and actually open up peer reviewed research published in reputable journals. And if they don't understand the statistics or science, they have not business commenting on it or forming opinions (something Americans really need to learn - it's okay to say, "I'm too ignorant to have an opinion on it").
I don't need to spread any word about 'vaccine efficacy', nor will i spread your propaganda. It's all there in the research literature for anyone willing to parse the information. Basing one's reasoning 100% solely on research literature while disregarding other cogent data is short-sighted and bad advice - especially if the research hasn't included possible/ probable datum by dint of not having researched it yet. Duh, just Short-sighted and bad science for basing reasoning just on research literature alone 100%. For decades multiple researchers, scientists, study's, data, literature and practicing Medical establishment Doctors all denied Smoking was harmful and was the leading cause of numerous smoking induced cancers - for decades - so your line of reasoning is clearly and seriously flawed. mRNA vaccines do cause blood clots though - that is proven and is a known safety signal clearly set out in the literature. Myocarditis and pericarditis are also now known safety signals for the young (and seemingly the extremely fit) this are also clearly set out in the literature. mRNA vaccines do not prevent transmission either - in fact a fully vaccinated individual can asymptomatically transmit the virus to another fully vaccinated individual - that is also clearly in the literature if one is willing to parse it out, and has been widely reported by CDC Walenksy, Dr Fauci and numerous other talking heads saying 'fully vaccinated can still contract and transmit the covid virus'. What we are told the vaccine is 'meant' to do is 'prevent serious illness requiring hospitalization and death'. It's a fact that fully vaccinated are becoming the majority of hospital admissions as reported by many Nations around the world and it is reasonable to conclude those will be the ones overwhelmingly dying.
The idea i would go out and 'inject an experimental gene therapy' for something i don't even have, because 'the chinks are saying your vaccines are bad' so ergo 'the vaccine must be good' is Ludacris and propaganda itself. The chinks can spread 'anti vaxx' all they want. Good. The mRNA gene therapy's covid vaxx is bad. EDIT: Nice assortment of MSM 'fact check' articles you have there , lolz.
For decades multiple researchers, scientists, study's, data, literature and practicing Medical establishment Doctors all denied Smoking was harmful and was the leading cause of numerous smoking induced cancers - for decades - so your line of reasoning is clearly and seriously flawed.
Two logical fallacies are committed here:
The fallacy of exceptions and cherry picking. Multiple studies going back decades refuted the corporate shills lying that smoking was fine or even good for you.
Specifically, the research on smoking, when initially done, was damning as fuck to the tobacco industry and the tobacco industry immediately undertook an ad campaign to discredit the research that kept pouring in that showed how terrible smoking was. And modern science, the rigor as we know it today, did not settle into what it is until around the 1970s but really emerged in the 1950s. That is, empirical science based on rigorous methodologies, peer review, random control trials, results duplication, etc. It was rather loose until around 1950s post World War II.
"There is a treasure trove of bogus old ads, viewable online, featuring claims by tobacco companies that cigarettes pose no health risks, or even that they’re beneficial in aiding digestion [3]. This was the tobacco industry’s response to the research surfacing in the 1940s linking smoking to cancer. Their answer was to fund “studies” of their own to “prove” that tobacco smoking was safe. Some companies paid doctors to claim their cigarettes were somehow “healthier” than the competition [4]. This history exposes how disingenuous marketing and fake research can mislead the public for decades. Yet, the truth came out eventually."
https://www.rgare.com/knowledge-center/media/articles/smoking-a-100-year-story-that-doesn-t-end-here
So your example of tobacco use is actually an example that is proves you wrong, it doesn't support it. The science said the opposite and the tobacco companies fought against it paying money to doctors and marketing teams to counter the science. The same science you're fighting against, now.
mRNA vaccines do cause blood clots though - that is proven and is a known safety signal clearly set out in the literature.
You're mistaken. You're thinking of the J&J which has been shown to cause blood clots in 41 people. The J&J is a classic vaccine that uses deactivated pieces of the virus. There have been no causal relationships discovered between the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
"The clotting disorder is called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS), and it is rare—in 17 million people who got J&J, 54 cases of TTS were reported, 36 of those people were cared for in an intensive care unit, and nine people died (which represents over 15% of cases). Two additional deaths also may be linked to the vaccine. Based on these numbers, the risk appears to be greatest—1 in 100,000—in women ages 30 to 49. This updated CDC recommendation follows similar recommendations from other countries, including Canada and the United Kingdom."
"In terms of timing, all of these cases were identified within two weeks of the person receiving the vaccine."
About 100,000 people die of blood clots a year, in the US. After out tens of millions of doses of J&J and we have 54 cases.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots
The other "clot shot" is the AstraZeneca (not a vaccine we use in the US but the UK does). Just like the J&J, they use inactivated virus (what people on poal refer to as "real vaccines").
Do you know where the "mRNA clot shot" thing came from? China. China trying to discredit the mRNA vaccines the US developed. Because they want their new mRNA vaccine to reign supreme. They are working on one.
Do you see? This just one of many talking points just like this that originated from China. You're using Chinese propaganda to inform your opinion.
mRNA vaccines do not prevent transmission either - in fact a fully vaccinated individual can asymptomatically transmit the virus to another fully vaccinated individual -
The vaccines reduce transmission significantly.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2106757
Not a single example of an asymptomatic individual transmitting the virus is known in a controlled scientific way (self-reports do not count). The largest study on this, with 3 million people involved in the study, found 0 cases of asymptomatic transmission of the virus. None.
"There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
that is also clearly in the literature if one is willing to parse it out, and has been widely reported by CDC Walenksy, Dr Fauci and numerous other talking heads saying 'fully vaccinated can still contract and transmit the covid virus'.
The literature literally says the opposite of what you're saying.
Guess who came up with the idea that those who are vaccinated are more likely to spread SARS-CoV-2 when they are asymptomatic? You guessed it: China.
Healthline outlines the reasons why the vaccinated are less likely to transmit the virus even when they are symptomatic:
What we are told the vaccine is 'meant' to do is 'prevent serious illness requiring hospitalization and death'. It's a fact that fully vaccinated are becoming the majority of hospital admissions as reported by many Nations around the world and it is reasonable to conclude those will be the ones overwhelmingly dying.
This is what vaccines have always done and the only people saying that vaccines are supposed to be silver bullets that perfectly protect you against illness are the antivax retards who don't know what vaccines are.
Fact: the vaccinated are 9 times less likely to be hospitalized and 11 times less likely to die from COVID-19 compared to the unvaccinated.
Fact: the majority of those hospitalized are unvaccinated or fully unvaccinated with most of them being completely unvaccinated.
Fact: it appears the rate has leveled off around 82% of COVID-19 patients are the unvaccinated because of the drop off of efficacy of the vaccines after 6 months.
Fact: the boosters are being pushed because they legit work. The US Army came up with a vaccine that targets the mutations very broadly and it may be the "end all, be all" for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. Let's hope this one is safe so we don't have to keep this vaccine war going.
From the data that we do have of only a subset of state: 16.7K died of COVID-19 who were vaccinated. 64.0K unvaccinated died. This is only a subset of states, not all of them. The data is in and the data is overwhelming.
"While federal data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is incomplete, only accounting for a subset of states, the analysis found that between April and November, more than 16,700 vaccinated people had died -- the vast majority since the start of the delta variant's surge, earlier this summer. Similarly, nearly all – approximately 96% -- of the 1.8 million breakthrough cases – have come during the same time period.
Comparatively, in those select states, at least 5.8 million unvaccinated Americans had tested positive, and just under 64,000 unvaccinated Americans had died, during the same time period."
And we know where almost all of those breakthrough cases come from: elderly with chronic health conditions:
In other words, the direct opposite of literally every point you just made.
We have this data for 22 states. Here's Washington State, which has been doing a great job of collecting this data:
Texas does as well:
"Unvaccinated people were 13 times more likely to become infected with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.
Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people."
https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx
The idea i would go out and 'inject an experimental gene therapy' for something i don't even have, because 'the chinks are saying your vaccines are bad' so ergo 'the vaccine must be good' is Ludacris and propaganda itself.
Again, this is another piece of false information. The vaccines are not experimental even a tiny bit - we couldn't use them outside of Phase I or Phase II human trials if they were still experimental. We are passed those stages and all 3 have passed their Phase III human trials making then no longer experimental. They are not gene therapy, either. And before you say it, they are not DNA Vaccines, either. DNA Vaccines are different from mRNA vaccines. Gene Therapy is not a vaccine at all. All 3 are different things. mRNA != DNA and people who keep calling mRNA vaccines "DNA vaccines" or "gene therapy" don't even have a high school understanding of biology.
The vaccines being safe and effective is besides the point of people like you falling for their propaganda. My point is that people like you have fallen for the Chinese propaganda and you keep vomiting your CCP disinformation all over the place. You're literally the instruments of the CCP and you're killing people because of it. Idiots pay attention to those who sound smarter, around them. And then they die because of it.
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