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That's fucking hilarious.
During the last week, I've become aware that I might be the only man in my state who knows that the majority of Ukrainian people voted to separate from the West-installed "democracy" of the current Ukrainian regime. That was over a decade ago, IIRC.
So the reality of this war- Majority of Ukrainians, especially in the eastern regions, want to either rejoin Russian Federation or become their own nations independent from the current Ukrainian regime. This majority faction has been targeted for decades now, under what is essentially a state sponsored genocide that nobody fucking talks about for some reason. Tensions flared up 13 years ago in the Donbas region, probably due to the separatists being pissed and (((western influences))) arming and propagandizing the "pro-Ukrainian government" faction, which already has an "organized standing military".
The people who want to toss the Ukrainian government have been screaming out to the world for help for a long time. Nobody listens, though- just Russia, because that place should be part of Russia anyway. So essentially, ~60% of the Ukrainian population WANTS THE RUSSIANS TO COME AND FUCK UP THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT, AND FREE THEM FROM IT. This is why Ukrainian soldiers are deserting so much, surrendering with little resistance, and not putting up much of a fight!! THIS IS WHY THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO FORBID MALES 18-60 YEARS OLD FROM LEAVING, THEY MUST STAY AND FIGHT OR BE PENALIZED.
So you have poorly trained, poorly motivated, outgunned and outnumbered Ukrainian troops facing the might of fucking Russia, in Russia's own lands. Gonna go pretty shitty for whoever gets in Russia's way, I think. And I'd wager most of the average 20-something Ukrainian males, suddenly drafted into this retarded conflict hasn't reached the same conclusion. Expect an enormous amount of both desertion and spying/mutinying.
I have mixed feelings on this- because I believe anyone who is a traitor needs to be killed, without exception. However, let's say Boris, an 18 year old man living in western Ukraine is drafted today. He fucking hates the Ukrainian government in general, never been anything but a problem for him... and now they hand him a rifle and send him to go fight the goddamned Russian Federation. Is this man a traitor if he begins, idk, feeding information to the Russians in secret? The government who forced him into conscription has no loyalty to him, and Boris has never had any loyalty to the government- he's only connected to them by providence, being born in Ukraine. So does that make him a traitor to assist the Russian invasion if it means throwing off the Ukrainian government's yoke?
Interesting question. I'd also wager there are thousands of Ukrainian men pondering the same exact things... except they can hear the gunfire and bombs in the distance, gradually closing in...
The government who forced him into conscription has no loyalty to him
That government has already betrayed Boris. What is there left for him to owe alleigance to? Will we all be traitors in any sense other than the claims of ZOG if we decline to be drafted and instead shoot at those who infringe on the Constitution? I certainly don't think so.
Well said- if the government forced him into conscription while not representing him, and in fact opposing him, then the social contract of "governed and governor" is already broken.
It's not conscription- it's slavery. It's the government saying "take this gun and run at the Russians, try to kill them. If you don't do it, we'll kill you and have your family murdered or imprisoned or fined absurdly." Isn't that pretty much what the Ukrainian males aged 18-60 face? How is that nothing short of mass murder, hurling the lives of your citizens unwillingly to defend the homeland?
That's what gets me about this- imagine not wanting to fight for your homeland. Imagine welcoming your invaders. Do we feel like this about the USA? I don't want to become part of another country, I just don't want ZOG, or anything bigger than a very small local state government fucking my life up in every way you can imagine. So if some country came along and started ZOG up, how would the disillusioned react? Historically, they surrendered and aided their invaders when they were of similar race/culture... but many Europeans also surrendered to and aided the various muslim invasions...
Truly, these are the things people don't consider until it's too late for them...
That was over a decade ago, IIRC
Yes, but that just means that your data is out of date. There was real debate in Ukraine as to whether to move towards the West or towards Russia. Since then, Russia annexed Crimea and waged a covert war in eastern Ukraine. Over the last 7+ years this has polarized Ukrainians. Some of them have become anti-West, but the vast majority are now anti-Russian. If Putin wanted his conquest of Ukraine to be seen as a liberation, then he should have done it several years ago. Now it will be seen completely unjustified.
Bullshit, the jew pigs that were bombing their own people caused the war. The ethnic russians want to leave because they are being genocided by jews. Putin did everything he could to avoid a war, he pushed constantly for peace treaties that the jew refused to acknowledge. When diplomacy failed Putin recognized the breakaway regions as legitimate and accepted their invitation to defend them, zio-ukraine wasnt going to stop shelling civilians so they disabled the zioukraine military. As far as i can tell everything Russia has done is completely justified, i agree though that it should have been done several years ago but hindsight is 20/20, taking a shot at peace talks was worth avoiding a large scale conflict.
Right, but that's not how the Ukrainian public will see it. The Jew Coup regime has had eight years to purge dissenters and propagandize the public.
I don't see why foresight should have been so difficult. It seemed obvious enough to me back in 2014 that Russia would ultimately have to go to war or else see the Ukraine lost irretrievably. And equally obvious that every delay made the task harder.
The media lense would have skewed it to the latter in any event.
Traitor to what? some asshole forces you to do something you are against with threat of death, your allegiance lies elsewhere but they have you by the balls, are you a traitor for defecting to the side that you actually support? Just because you were caught and forced into that role? or should you have been a 'hero' and tried shooting your way out from the get go?
I cant blame anyone who didnt register and sell their soul to the army for defecting, especially when you realize things are different down the track. You can only betray something that you are loyal to, if its your family, race or self, but being loyal to a democratic political institution that starts a war that you disagree with? fuck that. I wouldnt die for my country the way it is now. Maybe if i were fighting against my country to save it, but not for the corrupt kike infested shit its in now.
I would never shame a Ukrainian soldier for defecting to Russia, their government is illegitimate and jew infested. fuck that shit. I can respect the Ukranians for either staying loyal to their country or defecting, doesnt change my opinion either way, but i do think defending a kiked institution with your life is retarded.
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