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WTF mate?

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It's a notation problem. The problem itself is ambiguous, and the fact that the educators can't see that and go on to declare that there was an 'old way' of math that was incorrect shows how retarded and full of themselves the people who devised this curriculum are. But instead of recognizing this is flawed because it's ambiguous, a good amount of goats are just butting heads over whether it's 1 or 16. Good stuff.

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

The system is making the teachers stupid now.

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This is why parentheses are used...to make things unambiguous

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Many goats must've learned math from Common Core.

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Too tired. Will look again tomorrow.

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LOL, Someone linked this in the comments to show that the correct answer is 1: .

I wonder what historical reference they're using that shows that as the old way. You might actually be able to find an old document laying out conventions that would work that way before modern notation was standardized, but I doubt that's what they did. And the fact that the most powerful nation on Earth has its educational facilities telling the kids that both answers are equally correct is just insane.

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This is an age old 'mess with people' question, something we should teach tom.

https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html

Been on the internet as a brain teaser for a long time, farther back than 2011 for sure. And way before the internet.

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Here is the real problem:

https://www.purplemath.com/modules/orderops2.htm

Note that different software packages will process this expression differently; even different models of Texas Instruments graphing calculators will process this expression differently. The general consensus among math people is that "multiplication by juxtaposition" (that is, multiplying by just putting things next to each other, rather than using the "×" sign) indicates that the juxtaposed values must be multiplied together before processing other operations

Some older software would accordingly treat the implicit multiply as though it were also in an implicit surrounding parentheses, similar to interpreting 4(2) as 4 to the power of 2, which would have a high precedence. In this particular case some humans would also accordingly interpret the conjoined symbols as implying they were all part of the denominator, if you can imagine for a huge number of people that write that way only because they were unable to write the non-horizontal format in that moment, like on a computer. In C and JS et al, of course replacing the implicit multiply with just multiply would yield 16 every time.

The nuance from the past is gone, for mundane tasks, and every online calculator will do 16. Is probably something computers ruined for at least high school math. Was a progression of academics, coders, and users battling it out for horizontal equation syntax that was understandable and supportable for modern (last 20 years) calculators. Most academics would not write horizontally normally for anyting serious.

I ended up with a HP 28S for Christmas one year myself. Many hours. Good fun. I honestly can't remember how it would have treated 20/5(2*2).

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holy fuck, I just read some of that and can't believe it's even controversial

Wow, so many stupid people in that thread. I did the answer 1 in my head in a second just glancing at it and the morons came up with 16. Fuck are they dumb.

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PEMDAS = Please Excuse Me - Don't Ask Something

The only way this works to me personally is that in common core math is that 16 is represented as a symbol and not a number anymore.

16 = ♥ - symbol like this and 16 doesn't equate to being a number anymore and is now a symbol or at least in common core (math).

16 would be represented as a symbol.

16 = 1

16 or ♥ is 1 then or equal to 1. 16 / ♥ are both symbols then. 16 is a symbol here then like ♥.

So 1 does equal 16 then. Both answers are right then since the symbol 16 equals 1.

1 = 16

edit

Add this to in as well.

Old math 1 was a 1 and now in Common Core (math) 1 (number) is now represented as a 16 (symbol). The number 16 is no longer 16 from old math it's now a symbol or "16" the symbol. So it changed from being an number or number 16 from old math to now new common core (math) which is a symbol or 16 is represented as a 16.

I don't know anything beyond that for now at least. I'm so confused on this one to say the least.

16=F

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Press 16 to pay respects.

press 1 if you know how to do Mathematical problems correctly.