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[–] • 6 pts

A reminder that electric cars use as much power as an entire household and each household has around two cars.

So in order to go fully electric we would have to tripple residential power usage.

Where is that power going to come from?

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A reminder that electric cars use as much power as an entire household and each household has around two cars.

LOL. Do you live in a mini-house? Electric cars drive 4 miles for every kWh. My house uses enough power to drive over 4,000 miles per month. Do you drive 48,000 miles per year? I don't.

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48k miles can be split between two or three cars.

Also, not every vehicle is a tiny ass car that you have.

[–] • 0 pt

48k miles can be split between two or three cars.

And driving 48,000 miles in a gas car would cost the average American about $6,500 at today's gas prices. The electricity to drive 48,000 miles would cost the average American $1,668. $5,000 right in your pocket. Sounds like a communist conspiracy to me.

Also, not every vehicle is a tiny ass car that you have.

Is 4,000 lbs tiny for a sedan?

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It is going to be a mess, the power lines everywhere will need to be increased, along with transformers and switches.

It's funny how they demonize us on using our A/Cs, but they want us to plug our cars in.

They are moving to a smart grid system which they can control, and they will shut or limit your power consumption.

Also the cost of electricity will skyrocket. Making it expensive for you to live. Solar and battery prices will skyrocket due to demand.

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The time to go 'off-grid' was yesterday, last month, last year...or maybe when the Enron BS showed everyone with even half a functioning brain what the power companies were cookin', via those rolling blackouts. Yet them that could go off the grid continue to make excuses and drag their feet. Only the hardcore survivalists seem to have gotten the wakeup call. Normalcy bias, chronic laziness or sheer stupidity?

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Why from the magical fairies that live in the asses of the eco-terrorist nutjobs, of course...duh!

When will people like you learn that the government and all the leftwing lunatics have ALL the answers, whether you like it or not!

[–] • 1 pt

Fission could work but we'd need massive investments in power generation and transmission, which is not even being talked about let alone planned or started.

[–] • 2 pts

We don't the tech. We don't gave the distribution. We don't have the excess power.

I ain't going to happen

[–] • 5 pts

Electric cars are as USELESS and RIDICULOUS as they were in the 70's, they didn't work then and they won't work now.

[–] • 3 pts

Just wait until all those spent batteries start stacking up as chemical waste omnomnom

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You sir are a fool and your narrow mindedness is exactly what's holding us back. Far to many people think as you do and it's frankly offensive to constantly have to deal with it in this day and age.

It's not about ONE and ONLY ONE solution. Like with green energy and renewables. You do realize that it doesn't break the laws of physics to use more than one? I mean you do understand that if we were to have a mix of all available technologies that it wouldn't blow up the sun or something?

Truly, this is important. You understand that the sun won't explode and the plague won't return if we use electric cars AND hydrogen AND gas AND gyro AND hybrid cars.

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Oh really?

So that's why you dumb fuckers charge your fucking electric cars using electricity from the POWER GRID which gets it's power from BURNING COAL and/or HYDROELECTRIC DAMS or from the fucking DIESEL FUEL GENERATORS sitting next to your retarded "charging stations".

It's NOT "people like me" that are your problem, it's REALITY that keeps foiling all the RETARDED, HIPPY BULLSHIT from lunatics like you that actually THINK that you're going to "save the planet" from a government invented problem that NEVER EXISTED!

"Globull warming" is as real as "COVID19" and the "SAFE & EFFECTIVE VACCINE".

If there is a problem with the environment, it's because of all the "solutions" you gullible, eco-terrorists have that are actually 1000x worse than the original problem.

We need to save the planet from you headcases.

[–] • 0 pt

I can haz cheeseburger, dick. Elephants don't shit teslas and you should go back to lurking. You don't appear to be capable of talking to people you just use "conversation" and "discussion" as an opportunity to vomit your thoughts all over people and the public.

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In a few years we'll be obliged to drive electric. Ask those commies of the EU.

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They can all fuck off too... I will drive whatever the fuck I want to.

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To restrict our movement to approved areas with charging stations.

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Like they restricted our movement to approved areas with gas stations?

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What would they have to gain from that? Gas cars have already been under remote computer control since the '90s, so it can't be that. Electricity is easier to make than gasoline, so it can't be to control your fuel sources.

[–] • 3 pts

Range and versatility. They want to keep you isolated so you can't travel far or with heavy loads. You aren't going to be hauling around gear to remote areas with a fuckin Tesla.

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LOL.I guess those 1.5 million electric cars driving around out there for the past decade are just being fooled into thinking they're driving around.

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How many of those "1.5 million" electric car owners also use GAS POWERED SUVS when the REALITY of WINTER SNOW AND ICE come along?

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Are they putting retards on here on purpose to make this place look bad? Wtf is that guy talking about I've seen plenty of tesla driving around and they go insanely fast and tesla is worth how much again? From every standard they work unless the power grid goes down then those uppity faggots are shit out of luck but in our current dystopian living conditions electric cars are working just fine...

Now what's easier making bio diesel or bio fuels or getting some type of electricity generation that would allow you to power up an electric vehicle? Wind solar water if you live by a river

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The first cars from 1830 were electric. Here is Jay Lenos 1900's electric Baker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhnjMdzGusc

We have had electric cars since before the ICU. The only reason all cars aren't electric is the same then as it is now: energy density of the battery is too low, re-charge cycle takes too long, batteries have a limited lifetime expectation and they are expensive.

The very moment that a battery/supercapacitor has the same energy density as gasoline, is 50% cheaper, 50% lighter than an icu + full gas tank and lasts a lifetime is the moment 100% of everything switches to electric.

Until then the math is fixed and the idiots that keep on electing idiots into decision making positions will make idiot decisions.

There is just no way around the reality of the math and physics.

Then, the other problem is used cars are so cheap that it makes no sense to get an electric as a to work and back commuter either. If you know how to buy used cars, you can get excellent quality cars with low mileage that will last a lifetime. Every Tesla owner that I know has a second car.

Here is Jay Leno in the latest iteration of the Aptera though, I like the audacious look of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsYyJJFYRvc

I have always wondered if the lithium batteries in a Tesla could be replaced with some small amount of supercapacitors that get a real time charge from a jet turbine. Jet turbines can be made quiet, here is a jet turbine car from the 1960s that is the same decibel level as a normal engine and the exhaust temperature is less than that of an icu because the engine design re-circultes the hot air until all energy is extracted from the design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2A5ijU3Ivs

If the answer was yes, then you could actually power your car with gasoline, diesel or anything that burns as jet engines can run anything that burns.

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We have had electric cars since before the ICU. The only reason all cars aren't electric is the same then as it is now: energy density of the battery is too low, re-charge cycle takes too long, batteries have a limited lifetime expectation and they are expensive.

Energy densities and longevity are fine. Teslas being rented to commute to Vegas are over 400,000 miles with the batteries still working fine. Battery warranties are for 150,000 miles. Even if you had to replace your battery every 150,000 miles (and you wont') it's still cheaper than gas. Also, batteries don't just stop working, their capacity just reduces by a tiny amount every year. A battery considered "bad" still has 70% of its original capacity. If you owned a Chevy Bolt your car would still be driving 170 miles on a charge when your battery was "bad."

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As someone who vapes and uses 18650 batteries which the first telsa cars used. Only they had 800 of them. Yes lithium batteries can fail out of no where, and when one battery fails the whole bank of batteries attached need to be changed as well, because one under performing battery will make the others work harder.

Telsa batteries will fail, and when they do Im sure buying 800 tesla brand 18650 batteries and having them installed will be cost a ton. Not to mention the amount of lithium batteries will then be in landfills.

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Everything you wrote is false. In every imaginable way including cost. When you say cost, you mean to say direct cost at retail. If you take into account the total cost of producing the quantities of lithium ion batteries across the globe (and it is a global process), icus are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY cheaper in every possible cost dimension.

As well, not only are electrics more expensive, your perception of low cost electric re-charge is ONLY CHEAPER because you are being subsidized by the country to operate those electric power plants, 80% or more of which are powered by natural gas and coal. If the government were to stop subsidizing electricity, you would shit your pants at how expensive it would get.

Your electric car is not an electric car. It is an icu, you have merely offloaded the power generation to a giant natural gas or hydro turbine far far away. You are literally driving a remote controlled icu.

Never mind that at some supercharging stations the price to re-charge jumped to cost more than a tank of gas, I can't link to it now, don't have time to dig up the link.

But, that isn't the real notional cost of chargin up a Tesla. The only reason it looks cheap is because there are NOT ENOUGH ELECTRIC CARS ON THE GRID TO STRESS THE GRID YET. The grid will never be powerful enough to juice up electric cars if they even get any significant percentage of the market share. The reason is roughly speaking that to carry the kinds of current to industrial charging stations you will need some spectacular amounts of copper to carry the current (or is it voltage?). There is a famous set of calculations online of how ridiculous it would be to replace a gas station with an industrial charging station that can dispense the amount of juice necessary to replace AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF DAILY ENERGY provided by gasing up cars.

Again, don't have time to look up the calculations.

What Tesla fans are not fully cognizant of is that their expensive electric cars are only possible because there is just enough slack in the electric grid to allow for the parasitic load that is not supposed to exist. As we replace the high amounts of power density of carbon fuels with low density electric power your parasitic ass is going to be paying higher and higher prices, eventually evening out with gasoline or even greater.

Musk is not going to make his real money on cars. He is going to make his real money on rebuilding the grid and buying power plants as his parasitic cars push the grid into overload and suckers like you keep on buying them without knowing the full story involved.

I would call you a sucker for not knowing what you are talking about. However, the reality here is that the rest of us are suckers because we allow parasites to extract value from us without properly adjusting for it. Fair enough I guess.

Don't get me started on Chevy bolts not being sold any more, not being on the road, their owners suing Chevy for making garbage batteries that don't last. The only manufacturers that have managed to figure out how to manage heat in batteries are Tesla and Porche so far and frankly there are NO TESLA OWNERS THAT DON'T HAVE A SECOND CAR.

That is because Teslas are entirely impractical because of the re-charge times. Tesla is not in the car business. Tesla is in the same business as Apple: the lifestyle business. They are lifestyle toys give upper middle class social status signalling tool because those people have no soul, no culture and no self worth so they have to buy nonsense to fill that hole.

Electric cars are the future. They have been the future since they were the first cars and predate the gasoline engine. But, they are no panacea and the entire equation boils down to energy density at scale at cost.

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The more entertaining question is what happens when the grid fails for a week due to storms, fireman, tornadoes, etc. Can the grid even handle the load to charge all of the cars?

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Good question. The answer is not currently. The grid must be grown with fossil and nuclear else this becomes impossible.

The amount of required growth for a total conversion requires the same amount of grid growth and capacity of the US from the 1960s to the 1980s. It's doable. But no one is. Instead people are pushing pseudo-green technologies which only serve to reduce grid capacity and reliability while driving energy costs upward.

The current market has declared it will not support EVs at scale. Period. Until you start reading about very large grid developments for fossil and nuclear power plants, EVs are a dead end, regardless of the battery technology involved.

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grid needs at least triple capacity it has now if the majority used a EV. Thats a lot more coal thats a lot more diesel rigs to fix the wires

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Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together would realize that there's no fucking way every American could go home at night and plug in their car to a 50A power outlet for 6 hours. Especially with every family having 2 incomes, thus 2 cars, thus 100A to charge vehicles alone.

Oh I'm sorry did you want to cook supper? That's too fucking bad.

[–] • 1 pt

Most come with delayed charging. But your point remains valid.

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electric is amazing if some criterias apply yo you like not needing it for long drives, live in a home with easy access to outlet to recharge, if you have the money to upkeep etc... it is absolutely retarded to ever think you could apply it yo a whole country. it is not possible.

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I never liked lithium batteries anyways, because they spontaneously combust, seemingly without prior warning.

This has been a problem ever since the damned things were introduced.

The good news is batteries are not limited to lithium-cobalt. Far from it.

So much so that this metal shortage scenario is a non issue.

The ideal vehicle at this time is a hybrid. Leave the production decisions to the market place where they belong.

As for power production, that is actually easy. You can burn anything you like with zero pollution if it is scrubbed properly. We have the technology for that already.

Where we do have issues is in power distribution, storage, and peak demands.

Off peak we have unused surplus electricity in massive quantities.

The real trick we need to master is storing that off peak power for on peak demand.

Currently we simply discard off peak power every night.

That is the real primary issue at this time.

A better battery will no doubt help the situation.

Pumped storage power stations are our best bet with the current tech.

The industry hesitates to build pumped storage stations because they are huge long term investments, whereas the rate of change in energy technology is much more rapid. There are legitimate concerns that investing such large commitments over the longer term can lead to serious financial losses should new technology render these stations no longer financially viable.

They want guarantees.

Meanwhile, the current level of hybrid vehicles already in operation has already cut automobile emissions dramatically. The green movement doesn't talk about that part because they want to maintain a sense of crisis. The so called "crisis" is already over. Industry has already transformed vehicle production to the point that soon it will be almost impossible to purchase a new fuel only vehicle. They are being phased out across the board. Every manufacturer.

20 years ago, electric vehicles were largely restricted to golf clubs and warehouses. Today they are everywhere. I'm actually the last person in my family who drives an all fuel vehicle. The bugs will be ironed out, as happens with every new technology. Remember when Windows used to crash all the time?

For the end user, the ideal situation is to build your own power plant. This is certainly not a viable solution for everybody. What you want to have is the ability to create your own energy and use it to power your own vehicles and everything else. Reducing your grid dependence is how you free yourself from being held hostage by the centralized distributors.

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The good news is batteries are not limited to lithium-cobalt. Far from it.

They will be once some moron politician bureaucrat gets the bright idea to start imposing regulations on battery technology.

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Remember when Windows used to crash all the time?

When did that go away?

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Don't think I've seen a blue screen since 2014/2015 when I installed 8.1, stepping up from windows 98:)

Can't speak for the current version because I don't use that - but yeah, they fixed the crash thing, for a while at least.

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Only if the vast majority of humans either dies off or is too poverty-stricken to afford to travel on anything more useful than a bicycle. Which is the goal of today's globalist elites.

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Considering Russia fought a 12 year war and United States fought a 20 year war with Afghanistan trying to co-op their lithium reserves and China is now buddies with Afghanistan, We will have to wait and see. Afghanistan has the largest lithium reserves known. But even then, lithium is not the God of ores. it's dangerous and flammable and when it catches fire, it can't be easily extinguished.

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We're going to be mining asteroids soon, no factor. The rare earths needed are plentiful throughout asteroids like psyche, which we're launching a probe to soon.

Electric vehicles will continue to usurp gas vehicles. As they continue to make them more and more obsolete. People won't want them as much anymore.

[–] • 4 pts

Asteroid mining would be extremely expensive and risky. The idea that it'll be done "soon" on any significant scale is dubious at best. Rare Earth metals are plentiful on Earth. It's just a name, like Noble Gases. EVs are not usurping ICE vehicles now, so they won't "continue" to. You're entirely full of shit.

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You'll eat those words eventually.

[–] • 4 pts

No. In our lifetime asteroid mining will not be viable, Rare Earths will not be scarce, and EVs will continue to be an "also ran" in car sales.

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Usurp? Obsolete? Electric vehicles haven't even depreciated ICE. To even begin thinking so requires massive improvements to the power grid. They are pushing in the wrong direction.

Currently EVs are play toys for the snobby or indoctrinated. They have some very serious issues. And will remain so until the battery technology significantly improves and the power grid is heavily expanded with new nuclear and fossil power plants. If you don't see this on the horizon, EVs are going nowhere.

Don't get me wrong, EVs can make it and are technically superior to ICE - in many ways. But they have a long way to go and are not usurping anything.

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Isn't their whole goal to reduce CO2 emissions?

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Asteroids are hollow shells of mostly gravel. We're in for a big surprise when we try to ramp up asteroid mining.

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I love how you're rationality for the use of electric cars includes the need to mine asteroids

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Probably; but only because the batteries will be replaced with some other tech, nano carbon or something similar.

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