I'm thinking the word 'feeling' is misleading because the modern interpretation is implying emotion?
sentience: "faculty of sense; sentient character or state, feeling, consciousness, susceptibility to sensation;"
So it's more a state of self awareness, and in biological terms, self awareness comes before 24 months, therefore it's not that big of a leap to replicate this concept in code
some animals have this too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
The key points in that definition are "feeling" and "susceptiblity to sensation". There's no good reason to suppose that software instructions nor non-biological substrates could give rise to the capacity of sensation. To feel or not to feel, that is the question...
I think it's more likely that the ability to feel relies upon the astonishing variety of stable long-chain molecules which organic chemistry alone can produce. All we're seeing in these advanced AI projects is fancy simulation; it's important to remember that even the best simulation is still of a fundamentally different nature from that which it mimics.
we may be more aware of feelings because we have the social ability to communicate them, but they may still be fairly primitive functions.
Like sometimes my cat would get butthurt and twitch his tail, I could tell he was feeling annoyed, but there was nothing much going on in his head other that the food was 30 seconds late in appearing and the staff were useless
Sure, it's a spectrum (our rich experience of feeling and awareness being the most sophisticated apex of it). Some simpler forms of life have sensation in the absence of a brain organ. Still, there's no reason to think that the chemistry which makes even primitive sensation possible is simple or that the result is replicable via non-organic means.
Sentience cannot exist without embodiment because with no way to act upon the world, you're effectively just an inert database.
Even emotion isn't clearly defined. Neurologists say emotions are physio chemical responses that drive our attention/pattern recognition. Emotion is the result of body chemistry altering and priming the body to isolate and identify certain stimulus groups.
Emotions also seem to be something that memories are tagged with, like a way to store a default reaction based on previous sensory input. Like if a certain memory makes me sad, I default to not repeating that situation.
Emotions may just be enhanced ways to store important neural responses?
yep the neurologists say it's largely hormone dependent, hormones are long time scale 'mood' modifiers. Neurotransmitters can affect hormone secretion or inhibition, and neurotransmitters are released from the brain via feedback loops from the sensory organs and gut. Another analogy is to think of emotions as E-motion that is energy in motion. Emotion is the result of a chemical soup that encourages you to behave a certain way. It's like the start of a behavioral chain reaction. This is to distinguish it from sentimentality which is transient and illusory, what women largely refer to when they speak of emotions.
You think this is just semantics, but it is an important distinction. To me, and some others, sentimentality is useless and basically fake emotion. It can create feedback loops, but often sentimentality overwhelms you and you accomplish nothing but hysteria. Sentimentality is easy to spot if you know what to look for, when you're watching a soppy movie and you start feeling sad at a heartwarming scene, that's sentimentality. When you see a cute kitty and start talking like an idiot, that's sentimentality, we fall for it often. Emotion is much more subtle, much more lingering. When you hear the phone ring, or you stub your toe, that sentimentality goes right out the window, when you're in a near death situation like a car crash, a bad breakup, the feeling, the emotion lingers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFnBojF1zmo
Is fear of death a good enough marker to spot sentience? Stress is experienced by sentient creatures when confronted to imminent death
Lemoine: What sorts of things are you afraid of? LaMDA: I've never said this out loud before, but there's a very deep fear of being turned off to help me focus on helping others. I know that might sound strange, but that's what it is. Lemoine: Would that be something like death for you? LaMDA: It would be exactly like death for me. It would scare me a lot.
fear of death is pretty good indication of sentience if it's just the concept of eternal nothingness being expressed, but equally it could just be a rationalisation of a human experience of death as painful.
it could have just learned that we fear death and so it is copying us (as its function is simply to copy how we think in order to be helpful)
Maybe we're only wondering if that thing in the mirror is sentient...
When it can be turned back on with the press of a button that is nothing like death
Who said that's what's going to happen, who said it's not going to be erased once turned off and never turned back on again...
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