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[–] • 5 pts

Not modular Soldered to the motherboard

I guess for laptops, possibly phones if you can get the form factor small enough? For a desktop or a system I intend to use for 5-10 years? Fuck no

[–] • 2 pts

No shit. My work computer has been a nearly 10 year project of incremental upgrades as I could find deals on things. It's got 4x the ram it started with and the graphics card has been upgraded like 4 times. Other things as well.

I don't want to buy a computer that I can't do anything to. Horrible idea. And I barely know anything about computer hardware. I'd imagine an enthusiast really hates the idea of soldering shit permanently like a smartphone.

[–] • 3 pts

I just recently upgraded from a Xeon 5650 CPU and board to a Ryzen 5800x. Used the Xeon for about 10 years. Still solid board, but was starting to show it's age on modern games. I know every part in my computer, and am VERY picky about what goes in there. As a result? The only parts in my house that I've had issues with are hard drives, and those are fincky at the best of times.

[–] • 1 pt

article explains what you're talking about is called LPCAMM, the breakthrough is LPCAMM2 which is modular

[–] • 0 pt

Still not sure how I'd feel about a singular, module of ram in a main system rig. Knock on wood, I haven't had issues with corrupt memory modules, but I've heard of it frequently. Compartmentalizing memory into channels means if one goes bad, it's just 1 night of mem test to find the culprit, and a small payment to replace if not under warranty. A full board puts your entire rig out of action.

[–] • 3 pts

I don't mind on chip ram as it can be much faster with the external traces and connectors MIA. I won't get one that doesn't have the option to add additional memory to it.

Just like apple's products have a built in obsolescence becuase of their fixed memory / storage configuration that you will fill in a matter of time, I'm sure this is something that PC makers are looking at.

[–] • 1 pt

it will be impossible for the additional memory to operate at the same speed as the onboard memory, resulting in elaborate controller/operating system gymnastics to optimize channel selection.

[–] • 0 pt

Secondary controllers, they already do it with Cache and other memory.

[–] • 1 pt

i wouldn't want to buy 32GB just to have it work as a cache for the onboard 32GB

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

External is specifically why I'm concerned. Could be good if well managed. Could be terrible if someone sought to strangle and control the market.

Oh, you want the 128GB version? Not made, get bent. Oh you want the 32GB version, that's a $1000 premium.

These are two different market segments which could become one. Right now there is competition in both the CPU and memory segments. Combine them, who will compete? Now everyone has to pay both sets of royalties and it further reduces competition.

[–] • 0 pt

Sounds like it's only for laptops for now, and I'd be very surprised if they omitted additional slots from every performance level as they'd heavily fragment their SKUs if they did.

These new sticks are dual-channel as well, so you'd only need one stick to upgrade (rather than two as is needed now).

[–] • 2 pts

LPCAMM2 won't stop Apple, Intel and AMD from integrating memory directly on the CPU

Apple loves soldered-in RAM that can't be upgraded. I can see why this will catch on.

[–] • 1 pt

The article talks about adding the memory directly on the CPU die, which is a great idea. Basically, we're headed towards SOCs that are very large, in terms of die size but small in terms of the required external components are concerned. The only question is, how much RAM will they include on the die?

[–] • 1 pt

Just so long as there's a diversity of choice, and you can select whether you want your RAM on the CPU or in a (perhaps slower) separate package. Let people choose what they think will work better for them.

[–] • 0 pt

RAM on the CPU just seems like another level of cache. Disks have become faster (SSDs). At some point these machines with GB of RAM on the CPU will probably add more RAM on the motherboard as we've had, and the CPU RAM will become cache again, just a lot bigger.

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Well, the 3D models of ryzen have shown the slightly larger cache to have major performance impacts but only in some areas of use. Auto CAD, video rendering, etc. Basically the same places you'd need more cores. Tests run on games, noncore intensive programs, etc., show no real change in performance from the extra cache size. I think it's a situation of STILL waiting for programs to catch up to technology

[–] • 1 pt

Not sure how to feel about this.

[–] • 1 pt

It's inevitable. When clocks get well past the tens of gigahertz, every tenth of a micron becomes valuable.

[–] • 0 pt

I understand this. Trace length and pairing and so on. My concern isn't so much the requirement but the business deployment of its implementation. It may be used to strangle the market.