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YOU DONT NEED A RELIGION.

A deeply held belief is all you need. Note you don't need to prove it either. And that belief can be anything.

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To add, a belief doesn't have to be consistent, sensical, part of a religion, be inline with your current religion or anything else. The Supreme Court has ruled on this over and over and over again. More importantly, you do not have to define your religion or your beliefs. Simply saying, "It's against my belief" is actually to much. They can't even ask the question, a 1964 ruling already declared this. You do not have to defend or right down your faith. They have no legal foot to stand on to even ask such a question.

MORE IMPORTANTLY: Do not fill out any forms. 1) They might fire you anyway 2) It definitely gets you added to a list and you don't want to be on that list.

REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING, FILL OUT NOTHING!

Stand firm and don't budge an inch. Let them fire you for refusing a mandatory shot. Trust me, this is the position you want to be in. If the courts hold true, this is the best avenue to win a lawsuit. If the courts don't hold true and go against the constitution, then there is no law anymore which means you don't have to follow any laws, specially theirs. If you don't know what happens after the end of law, I might suggest you visit your local sporting goods store.

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Kudos!

[–] 7 pts

You just took legal advice from a person who is not a lawyer. This is not going to end well for you.

You won't win shit in court unless there is objective proof they fired you for your religious beliefs (one of the protected classes in Articles VI and VII of the American Civil Rights Act). For example, an e-mail that said "We are going fire Joe for being a Christian-retard. What a fucking retard." Most places are too smart to do stupid shit like that but you might get lucky. More likely, you're just going to end up out of a job and mostly unemployable. But when you look for a new job, you may be able to skirt around the rules of being vaccinated.

Reality is, no matter what you do, just like a cop following behind you, you will make a mistake at work and they will have grounds to terminate you. You won't get unemployment if you're terminated with cause.

Do you see how this is a spiral to hell on earth?

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You can certainly refuse to do anything but this carries a lot of risk and a lawsuit would be daunting and expensive. If you're wanting to commit to that, by all means.

The middle ground is the religious exemption. This does not need to be religious per se but an ethical or moral belief had with a similar regard to typically religious ones.

You're best following their forms and jumping through their hoops, however, to the least extent reasonable.

Theoretically, a statement just saying, "I have a religious exemption to this mandate" should be enough but a good rule of thumb for anything like this is to think of it as if a judge is already reading it... would adding 1 or 2 sentences endear your position to a reasonable person without boxing you in very much philsophically? It might be better to do that then.

The prolife argument is a good one as the available shots were either developed with embryonic cells and/or contain them. However consider that other shots may become available for which this argument may not be valid.

Consider any oaths/pledges/etc that you have sworn and if they might be relevant to your situation. Citing those might be sufficient, perhaps augmenting them with a Christian perspective, "let your yes be yes and your no be no".

If you took vaccines before, it is OK that your beliefs have changed, that is valid, just be sure not to offer conflicting statements here(or in any of your paperwork). Don't say that you just don't trust this one but you did the others...

They will likely open a dialog with you, they should not challenge/argue your beliefs but they may work to create situations where you contradict yourself in person or in writing... be vigilant not to step into these traps.

They still can fire you if your belief creates more than a minor cost to the company, understand that. There's a difference between denying your religious exemption and not being able to reasonably accommodate your beliefs.

Good luck

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https://poal.co/s/CoronaVirus/432110

You may also want to point out that the "approved" drug is a named concoction called Comirnaty, which isn't available yet.

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No, that muddles things and would weaken his case.

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It can, but if they push back then you have more ammo.

[–] 4 pts

A really good one was posted recently. I think it was who did it.

Check here: / / / /

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Romans 14:23 “But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.”

Tell them you already told yourself you wouldn't get it, and if you go against your conviction you are sinning.

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They're making you write a dissertation to honor a religious exemption? Tell them you worship your body and you're not going to pollute it with cures that proven liars tell you need.

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Threaten to sue them for asking private religious information.

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Talk to a credible lawyer that is versed in employment law.

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