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Once again, it's time for the FNGT!

If you don't know how this works, . That link will take you to another site to give you some additional information and tell you about some of our off-site features. That's also the site where we will host the weekly guitar threads, should Poal go down.

NOTE: That site is by invitation only. If you want an invite, and you're a regular participant, then just ask Crazy, or myself.

If you do know what's going on, you probably don't need to click that link - but you may want to, to make sure you know of the other features, such as the archive or a separate forum that's invite only.

Remember, we are guests here on Poal. Let's act like it. If you're interested in supporting Poal, then .

**Once again, it's time for the FNGT!** If you don't know how this works, [click this link](https://fngt.gq/index.php?page=intro). That link will take you to another site to give you some additional information and tell you about some of our off-site features. That's also the site where we will host the weekly guitar threads, should Poal go down. **NOTE:** That site is by invitation only. If you want an invite, and you're a regular participant, then just ask Crazy, or myself. If you do know what's going on, you probably don't need to click that link - but you may want to, to make sure you know of the other features, such as the archive or a separate forum that's invite only. Remember, we are guests here on Poal. Let's act like it. If you're interested in supporting Poal, then [you can donate](https://poal.co/donate).

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Those of us that practice diligently kinda dislike it when someone says we have talent.

No, we don't have talent. We have countless hours of practicing to learn our craft.

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I'm with you on that. The worst is when you've developed a marketable skill for years to the point that you make it look easy and then you get a client who wants your services for a lowball price.

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I'm not sure that people know what to offer.

I'm recognized as a competent member of the Linux community. I'm retired and not seeking employment, but I constantly get asked to do this or that for money. The amount offered varies a great deal, like folks have no idea how I value my time. Indeed, I have my own ubuntu.com and lubuntu.me email addresses.

As I'm retired and need nothing from anyone, my work hours are valued (to me) at $500 per hour. I've had some consulting offers come not too far from that number, and others offering me effectively minimum wage.

The time I volunteer is free. I enjoy it as a hobby. I am recognized by my peers not because I seek employment, but because I always work to learn as much as I can with any subject I'm interested in.

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Right on! I've been meaning to get around to learning Linux haha

I used to help a sibling run a mobile car detailing business in the past. We would do everything from clay bars, polishes, ceramic coatings, interior steam cleaning, leather restoration, etc. We would also use good quality products that we've tested in the past with whatever the job was. Between the both of us, we had over 2 decades of experience doing this type of work, so we could tell what a good or bad detailing job looked like.

Oftentimes when we would get a potential new client asking for a clay bar + a ceramic coating/sealant or something of that nature. Us knowing how many hours the job would take to do properly after taking a look at the condition of the car, would often get haggled when we gave the client our price to do the job.

Even after thoroughly explaining the process of what we would do, the cost of the products we use, and the amount of time it would take to do the job properly, some of them would still try to come up with an excuse as to why they should get a discount. We just had to learn to start saying no to jobs a lot of times haha