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To me, it's one thing when its a band like Ozzy, where it doesn't matter who is playing along with him as long as they can play. Fleetwood Mac was kind of la little bit like that where if the Fleetwood and McVie are playing they are the band leaders so it is still their band no matter who is playing with them. But when its a band like Pantera where Dimebag and Vinny were really the leaders of the band, when they are not there, thats why, to me it feels like a tribute

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I dunno, Vinnie was the drummer with no writing credits and Dimebag only played guitar - but does have some writing credits.

I think it can be viewed as either way.

Like, was it the Grateful Dead when Hart left and they hired a new drummer? How about when Lisa was with them and left with Mark? Or, when Hart came back and they had two drummers?

I'd definitely not credit Vinny as a leader. He was just the drummer and not even all that great.

So, I suppose folks can argue it either way. I'd say it's up to those who hold the naming rights to decide if they're still Pantera or something else.

Or, then, there's GWAR - which regularly rotates people. I don't believe GWAR has any original members.

There's even some talk of keeping the KISS business running with touring musicians - none of whom would have been in the original KISS.

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Vinnie and Dime were brothers. weren't they? That be like Dave and Mike playing and calling it Van Halen with a different drummer and guitar player.

Kind of like it was the Grateful Dead up until Jerry died. No matter how many people came and went before that they were still the dead, but after that, then they were suddenly the other ones

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Yeah, they were. I suppose we'll just have to accept that they own the rights and they have a whole lot of fans who are selling out their shows.

Those fans seem to think of 'em as Pantera and I guess in a legal sense they are.

The good news is nobody is gonna force us to go see 'em. I don't think I'd bother seeing them, but not because of the lineup change. I'd not bother seeing them because it's 20 years since they last did a show. It's gonna be some sappy shit with more effects than good music and probably a shell of what their live shows used to be.