WelcomeUser Guide
ToSPrivacyCanary
DonateBugsLicense

©2025 Poal.co

202

It seems like a low risk, low cost, easy method of leveraging a competing country's legal commitment to free expression and weaponising it. It also has built in deniability. Disinformation is far easier to manufacture than it is to debunk. It would be foolish to not take advantage of this.

Why is this far-fetched to many people, when there are accounts of ex KGB personnel who describe in detail the process of their disinformation campaigns dating back to the 1970s?

It seems like a **low risk**, **low cost**, easy method of leveraging a competing country's legal commitment to free expression and weaponising it. It also has built in deniability. Disinformation is far easier to manufacture than it is to debunk. It would be foolish to *not* take advantage of this. Why is this far-fetched to many people, when there are accounts of ex KGB personnel who describe in detail the process of their disinformation campaigns dating back to the 1970s?

(post is archived)

[–] 0 pt

Even if I grant you all of that, the US has geopolitical ambitions to be less dependent on potential adversaries' energy exports. Renewable energy at the very least enables a degree of energy independence. How would that suit a country that exports non renewable energy? Poorly, to put it mildly.

That said, climate change quickly stops being solely an 'environmental' issue at some point. It is more or less guaranteed to result in serious security risks and will prove to be a hugely destabilising force.

[–] 0 pt

The US has an hegemonic aim, it's definitely not aiming just at autarky since a while now, almost a century. It's more of a "control the world so the world doesn't control you", sort of deal, than a strict "let's be energy independent"

>Renewable energy at the very least enables a degree of energy independence.

Let's get shit straight here, renewable energies are a lame ass option for the vast majority of countries, it usually turns out to be fucking expensive with a piss poor yield, compared to existing solutions. Btw, did you notice pretty much everything is made of plastic? ... What are you going to manufacture china, without plastic? What do you need to make plastic? That's right, you need oil... And cheap energy preferably...

That being said there's nothing humans can do against so called "climate change". Aside from dying en masse, of course... The entire world almost falls apart over a funny flu, so imagine what it's going to be like when they'll start trying to control the climate lol

[–] 0 pt

> Let's get shit straight here, renewable energies are a lame ass option for the vast majority of countries, it usually turns out to be fucking expensive with a piss poor yield, compared to existing solutions.

As were early planes and automobiles,I think we can afford to be a bit more sanguine about the ability of engineers when market incentives have been corrected away from favouring fossil fuels. Besides your only alternative seems to be to protect the existing economy from a temporary reshuffle until we all end up:

> dying en masse

[–] 0 pt (edited )

No no no no.... You aren't going to substitute oil and gas consumption, by solar panels and wind farms output, you don't even want to try, it's madness, plain and simple, it's going to be a disaster at every fucking level. Do you have any idea what the production cost represents, just in terms of ecological impact?

"market incentives" what do you mean? Taxing to death those who don't use solar panels?

Oil and gas are cheap, and there's no credible alternative to oil when it comes to the petrochemical industry. You can't manufacture plastic, and petrochemicals, out of solar panels, it's just impossible.

>Besides your only alternative seems to be to protect the existing economy from a temporary reshuffle

No no no no no.... Let's get shit straight; The first who jumps on the renewable energy bandwaggon like a total socialist, ends up bankrupted by its own energy bill, total loss of competitiveness, and wealth by extension, there's no going back, you turn into an economic dwarf, you become irrelevant and extremely vulnerable, as a country

Either everybody does it, or those who do while everybody else doesn't, can shit gold bars every morning

And why would everybody turn solar panel or wind farm? Is that REALLY a good idea? I don't think so. I think fossil fuels are the lesser evil actually

...

Make no mistake, "we" will all die en masse. Look at demography, look at africa, asia... That's a shitton of people to feed and equip... To equip like europeans or americans since everybody wants that.... That's not going to fly, especially in the case of africa, that's going to be a disaster. Not just for africans btw, that's something to ponder.