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>Now, it would be nice if there were a lesson in this list of errors that might help scientists do better in the future. But the whole history of science shows that such errors are actually unavoidable. There is a lesson, though, based on what the mistakes on this list have in common: They’re all on a list of errors now known to be errors. Science, unlike certain political philosophies and personality cults, corrects its mistakes. That’s the lesson, and that’s why respecting science is so important to avoiding errors in other realms of life.

Yes "respect science" experts say... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rimz-PZMjjs

>>Now, it would be nice if there were a lesson in this list of errors that might help scientists do better in the future. But the whole history of science shows that such errors are actually unavoidable. There is a lesson, though, based on what the mistakes on this list have in common: They’re all on a list of errors now known to be errors. Science, unlike certain political philosophies and personality cults, corrects its mistakes. That’s the lesson, and **that’s why respecting science** is so important to avoiding errors in other realms of life. Yes "respect science" experts say... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rimz-PZMjjs

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What I'd love to see is a book on how vigorously incorrect but entrenched ideas were defended by the scientific establishment even despite strong evidence to the contrary. Mainstream science talks about geocentrism but implies that it was a different, darker time and such scientific stubbornness can't happen today. I suspect that a lot of the big ideas today that our understanding of the universe rests on are simply wrong. Not just a little bit wrong, but completely and totally wrong.

Gravitational waves. The original detector completely failed to detect them. Then when a bigger one was built for billions of dollars, they detected gravitational waves right away! Curious that they had a sevret system for injecting a signal into the detector that even the scientists operating it didn't know whether the signal was real or fake, and even those working at the detector thought it was fake. And it's suspicious how the detected signal exactly matched theory! We learned nothing new from this novel form of gravitational wave astronomy that we spent billions of dollars on? Oh and did I mention they got a Nobel Prize for gravitational wave detection as soon as the announcement was made? In the past they've held off giving nobel prizes sometimes for 50 years because they had to be sure the discovery is properly confirmed.

Inflation. It's just a fudge factor to make the math for big bang work out. They postulate an inflaton field (That's what they called it. I kid you not.) that appears out of nowhere, makes the universe expand just the right amount, and then decays into nothingness.

Dark matter. If the galactic rotation curves are so far off from what we expect them to be, how in the hell can we expect models of the early universe to have any basis in reality? We either don't understand gravity over large distances or there is indeed a lot of dark matter around. Either way, the early universe looks very different than what we are being led to believe, if there is in fact such a thing as 'early universe'.

I could go on...

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I suspect that a lot of the big ideas today that our understanding of the universe rests on are simply wrong. Not just a little bit wrong, but completely and totally wrong.

Yep. Evidence our mainstream understanding is completely wrong is overwhelming. If its "theoretical astronomy" or "theoretical physics" it's almost certainly bullshit. It's all thought experiments with credentialed hand waving.

What they do when they find evidence which invalidates the mainstream model (which is in abundance) is invent magic. You name some. Real scientists would step back and figure out why magic is required for their theory. But deep down they also know providing real science is a career ender. So they have a choice. Play the game, create pseudo-science, scientism, and magic, and make a living bolstering mainstream, or do real science and end their career.

The reason we have such fundamental problems with astronomy is that it's not a scientific field. Science is the process of obtaining knowledge through the scientific method. The scientific method relies on being able to perform a controlled experiment. Since astronomy is purely observational, no controlled experiment is possible. Astronomy is closer to the field of history rather than sciences like physics and chemistry. Not having a way to distinguish a bad hypothesis from a good one makes it difficult to displace bad explanations.

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well there is science that you can measure all the variables and work out what is going on (like a ball rolling downhill), science that involves a lot of confusing quantum effects (like signals in a semiconductor) and science that is just building theories based on what we think might have happened but we can't replicate, and we don't understand what is going on or what these particles were (big bang)

and then there is medical stuff where the variables are infinite and nobody really cares as long as the death count remains low

anyone poopoo'ing big bang theories is wasting their time, they would never understand page 1

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If our bodies are just mere interfaces between this world and what we call our consciousness, pretty much like a 3D character would be between an open world and the gamer, then being a scientist studying this world would be like being a scientist in minecraft; he discovers and learns stuffs and shits, but in the end those are only meaningful in minecraft

Maybe this world is just that, some sort of hamster wheel in which we find ourselves trapped in, sort of

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I think if we ca be fairly sure we evolved from primordial vegetable soup, and we can simulate a lot of evolutionary adaptions like 'thinking' using AI, so I think life is really just an inevitable process of adaption.

stare at that soup for long enough and something will crawl out of it

consciousness is just our sensory processing response, there's no reason to imagine it's anything more than clever soup.

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A "clever soup" popping out of nowhere, just like that? A "clever soup" relying on a very complex "mechanism" called DNA to generate all sorts of biomechanical entities, some being self aware

I find that very unlikely

Just as unlikely as a computer popping out of nowhere with an AI installed on it

I don't think the existence of that computer and its AI are just the result of randomness

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In a way it does demonstrate the reliability of science, just in hindsight. Eventually they'll get the right answer, but anything new should be thoroughly questioned.

Also any profit motivated study can simply be discarded without comment.

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> Eventually they'll get the right answer...

I wouldn't bet the caravan on that.

Where I'm getting at is that, science doesn't operate in a vacuum, pretty much everything gets tinted by politics and mercantilism these days, science isn't an exception, far from it. And to render matter worse, I believe there's a "planck wall" ultimately when it comes to scientific researches/investigations

We're just humans

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but anything new should be thoroughly questioned.

Everything after einstein came onto the scene.

The pants on head retard who posts Ancient Aliens episodes and takes them seriously says "Yes "respect science" experts say" lolololololololololololo

Yeah, indians thousands of years ago had donkey urine powered airplanes because AA says so.

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Some people can't tell the difference between a troll post and the rest. Sometimes it's due to age related cognitive decline, but most of time it's because they're retarded