its real that pagan influences permeated the catholic church during that era. no doubt about it
but the gospel is more than celebrating this or that holiday. just because they syncretized doesnt mean that all or most of their theology was bad or erroneous
that's just silly, as i pointed to you the apostles believed and teached in the Godhead and even in earlier books like genesis there are hints at the plurality of god within his unity
>1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
see the trinity there. god created the heavens and the earth and his spirit moved upon the face of the waters.
tell me, how god which is a spirit would have his spirit moving upon the face of the waters? also see the light there? who is the light of men??
>John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
>Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
see the son of God coming with the ancient of days? that's the pre-incarnate christ
> Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
> Isaiah 63:10 ¶ But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
old testament mentioning the holy spirit. you are in the wrong here.
there is a GODhead, same god with different personality. partaking of the same substance. 1 god in 3 the holy persons immutable, holy, eternal and true
one more point, there are jews (few of them) have have noticed this plurality in God thus they drive themselves crazy with the Kabbalistic interpretations for this point.
Since you dodged my yes or no questions for a long rant, let me just point out one thing you said and leave it at that.
You said God said "let there be light". Then you said...
>also see the light there? who is the light of men??
Well, Jesus is the light of men. So you are admitting that God called forth/brought forth/begot His Son from Himself?
Well said. Since that is what the scriptures testify. Jesus was brought forth out from His Father before anything else existed.
Which means, He was not a co-eternal "God" that always existed with His Father. Scripture testifies God brought (birthed) Him into existence.
You unintentionally spoke the truth.
Again though, a "yes or no" to the questions please. Not a rant or explanation of "why" you believe your doctrine.
>Well, Jesus is the light of men. So you are admitting that God called forth/brought forth/begot His Son from Himself?
>1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
he wasnt made but begotten, dont you read the scriptures. that's why he's divine unlike us that were created not begotten!
>Which means, He was not a co-eternal "God" that always existed with His Father.
wrong, you ignore the scriptures and the power of God. jesus christ is the LOGOS the word of GOD which is and always have been eternal
what do you read?
>John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
>1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
again you do err alot, get out of that cult. your soul is in danger because of the heresies
i am showing you scripture that shows why i believe in ONE GOD IN 3 PERSONS!
jehova's witneses are in error, so are the mormons and others that deny the divinity of christ and of the holy spirit!
>Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
>Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
I never once claimed he was "created". I have repeated that he was begotten/born.
You are the one who associated Christs creative work with "the light" that is Christ.
You were in error, but in error spoke the truth.
Christ created all things. Including "light". Which is matter. Physical matter is made of light. Hence "let there be light". Aka "let things exist." The sun and stars ("light") was not yet created.
Again, please just drop some yes or no's to my original questions. It isnt hard mate. Do not be difficult because you fear your own answers.
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