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Notice how everyone wanted to believe they would be spared from hard times in America. Just as pre-tribulation believers want to believe they will be spared from hard times in the last years.

Then comes the disappointment and the falling away of people who had once been united by patriotism because Q was a false prophet who divided the movement. This is the "apostasy" of patriots.

Is the apostasy to come going to look very similar when many realize that their church preachers lied to them about a pre-tribulation rapture? Will many be divided and falling away because they were led on by the numerous false prophets who are in the churches today? In a moment everything they had staked their hope in is revealed to be false teaching?

Notice how everyone wanted to believe they would be spared from hard times in America. Just as pre-tribulation believers want to believe they will be spared from hard times in the last years. Then comes the disappointment and the falling away of people who had once been united by patriotism because Q was a false prophet who divided the movement. This is the "apostasy" of patriots. Is the apostasy to come going to look very similar when many realize that their church preachers lied to them about a pre-tribulation rapture? Will many be divided and falling away because they were led on by the numerous false prophets who are in the churches today? In a moment everything they had staked their hope in is revealed to be false teaching?

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Since you dodged my yes or no questions for a long rant, let me just point out one thing you said and leave it at that.

You said God said "let there be light". Then you said...

>also see the light there? who is the light of men??

Well, Jesus is the light of men. So you are admitting that God called forth/brought forth/begot His Son from Himself?

Well said. Since that is what the scriptures testify. Jesus was brought forth out from His Father before anything else existed.

Which means, He was not a co-eternal "God" that always existed with His Father. Scripture testifies God brought (birthed) Him into existence.

You unintentionally spoke the truth.

Again though, a "yes or no" to the questions please. Not a rant or explanation of "why" you believe your doctrine.

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>Well, Jesus is the light of men. So you are admitting that God called forth/brought forth/begot His Son from Himself?

>1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

he wasnt made but begotten, dont you read the scriptures. that's why he's divine unlike us that were created not begotten!

>Which means, He was not a co-eternal "God" that always existed with His Father.

wrong, you ignore the scriptures and the power of God. jesus christ is the LOGOS the word of GOD which is and always have been eternal

what do you read?

>John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

>1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

again you do err alot, get out of that cult. your soul is in danger because of the heresies

i am showing you scripture that shows why i believe in ONE GOD IN 3 PERSONS!

jehova's witneses are in error, so are the mormons and others that deny the divinity of christ and of the holy spirit!

>Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

>Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

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I never once claimed he was "created". I have repeated that he was begotten/born.

You are the one who associated Christs creative work with "the light" that is Christ.

You were in error, but in error spoke the truth.

Christ created all things. Including "light". Which is matter. Physical matter is made of light. Hence "let there be light". Aka "let things exist." The sun and stars ("light") was not yet created.

Again, please just drop some yes or no's to my original questions. It isnt hard mate. Do not be difficult because you fear your own answers.

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you dont know what typology is,right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_%28theology%29

didnt you read my post? i said that christ is begotten,that's one of the reasons the father didnt need a human male for mary. the holy spirit overshadowed mary and the holy being was called son of god...

even paul compares the pre-incarnate christ with melchizedek

Hebrews​​ Chapter 7

>1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

you are stubborn and that's not my issue. i have showed you proof and you continue to deny it. its your problem not mine