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Notice how everyone wanted to believe they would be spared from hard times in America. Just as pre-tribulation believers want to believe they will be spared from hard times in the last years.

Then comes the disappointment and the falling away of people who had once been united by patriotism because Q was a false prophet who divided the movement. This is the "apostasy" of patriots.

Is the apostasy to come going to look very similar when many realize that their church preachers lied to them about a pre-tribulation rapture? Will many be divided and falling away because they were led on by the numerous false prophets who are in the churches today? In a moment everything they had staked their hope in is revealed to be false teaching?

Notice how everyone wanted to believe they would be spared from hard times in America. Just as pre-tribulation believers want to believe they will be spared from hard times in the last years. Then comes the disappointment and the falling away of people who had once been united by patriotism because Q was a false prophet who divided the movement. This is the "apostasy" of patriots. Is the apostasy to come going to look very similar when many realize that their church preachers lied to them about a pre-tribulation rapture? Will many be divided and falling away because they were led on by the numerous false prophets who are in the churches today? In a moment everything they had staked their hope in is revealed to be false teaching?

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There is no scripture proof for a pre-tribulation 'secret' rapture, yep, I followed Hal Lindsey for a long time.

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Thats a hard lesson for some to swallow. Same as the sabbath vs sunday and trinity of rome/babylon vs father and son issue.

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Yeah, it was hard for me because I then realized I would have to die, and no escaping it via the rapture.

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>Yeah, it was hard for me because I then realized I would have to die, and no escaping it via the rapture.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Luke 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

>1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

this verse is the source of confusion to many. does this happen during the second coming? yes i believe so

so there are two resurrections it seems one of the just and one of the wicked

and yet jesus tells us that when he comes he will gather all and separate the goats from the sheep ......

so is this a separate event during his second coming or after his second coming? the book of revelation hints at the later

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you dont believe in the Godhead? you better do because IS BIBLICAL

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I certainly do. You're right.

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I believe the words of Jesus.

John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

God is the only true God according to Jesus. Jesus by divine inheritance has Gods divine nature/power/wisdom/authority. But He is not His Father nor does He hold His Fathers position.

The Fathers spirit, the Son was given, and after Christ returned to heaven and was glorified, He then sent that same spirit on the day of pentecost.

That is what the bible says devoid of any tradition of men.