Someone who can stall a cessna in a climb at 100 feet doesn't deserve to be on MS flight sim, nevermind in the cockpit.
With a bit of incompetence it is surprisingly easy to do. Once the airspeed is "alive" you're basically only flying fast enough to stay off the ground but you're still in ground effect. This means once you get 1/2 the span of the wing above the ground you no longer have enough lift to climb. During this transition period you normally continue to fly within ground effect to continue to build speed to allow for your departure climb.
At around 65 mph a student need only pull hard after the airspeed comes alive. Your average male can easily over power a petite female if corrective action is attempted on the yoke.
"Airspeed alive." Pull back to climb past ground effect. Reach roughly 100 feet AGL. Stall. Unrecoverable. Fate is sealed. Dead. It's very simple.
I think 's point was that the trainee should not have been behind the controls of the plane before showing at least some basic competence in a flight sim or something.
Contrary to what you see in movies and TV, flight sims are rarely used. And when they are it's usually for advanced training like emergencies, IFR, and combat. In all cases the focus is pilot reaction to instrumentation or events rather than accuracy of the flight model. Additionally, simulators fly and feel nothing like the real thing. Not to mention feedback is also completely different except in the most expensive of simulators (usually several thousand dollars per hour).
Flight training is very much monkey see monkey do. The IP shows you how to do it. Usually over a series of introductory flights. As the student shows proficiency they are provided more opportunity to kill them (student and pilot). It's a high trust environment. As an example, my brother is a Longbow IP. A student was able to tail strike and total the aircraft faster than he could respond. These are students who have already passed basic, advanced, and complex aircraft training. Once he was able to responded he kept them alive. It's amazing they didn't end up in a fireball (pilot skill [landing within 1' of level] and self sealing tanks were the factors [fuel leaked everywhere]). But the crash was 100% sealed once the tail strike occurred. He has also trained some middle eastern "allies." Staving off death was literally an every day event.
Realistically, it's unlikely she should have been an IP. Even if she actually was qualified pairing her with someone physically stronger than her is a terrible mistake. If you can't overpower the student, or at least hold your own, your life is literally in the hands of the other person to not panic and perform rationally as shown - and release control of the aircraft in extremely stressful situations. A panic freeze is a killer situation if you can't overpower them.
Your average male can easily over power a petite female if corrective action is attempted on the yoke.
That makes sense. I was wondering why she didn't just correct the mistake. It is another case of women in the workforce mixed with treating niggers like white people.
What I don't understand is that the aircraft must have had L and R controls. A stall like that doesn't just happen. Why wasn't Ljungman immediately at the controls correcting the aircraft? Was she paying absolutely no attention to the aircraft? As the most senior pilot in the aircraft? Or was she unable to take control?
I understand they were low and this all happened very quickly in real-time. But I think its fair to expect a "competant" pilot to be able to easily identify the warning signs before a stall during takeoff can happen.
That's a fair comment. Obviously I wasn't there. Much speculation on the behalf of my comment. My point was to explain just how easily this can happen using a plausible explanation. A pull through stall at low speeds and low altitude is basically a death sentence. Wing drops. You can't recover. Once you hit stall there is no recovery at that altitude. Departure and then arrival stalls are one of the more common causes of aviation fatalities. Even without student pilots. Altitude is what allows for stall and spin recovery.
Stall speed with full flaps is basically 50 mph. If he pulled back at 60 mph, that 10 mph bleed off can happen within a second or so. And it can take the pilot a second to recognize the danger. By the time she took positive control of the aircraft (assume the student didn't freeze, locking the controls), it's too late. Even if she immediately started stall recovery at this altitude, nose in is almost certain. At 100 AGL, I honestly don't see any other outcome as a possibility.
Maybe it played out differently? Maybe she froze? Maybe she wasn't paying attention at all? Regardless, it's far easier to happen than most people are aware.
While not a 172, in my aircraft, spins are not allowed. Entering a full spin requires > 9,000' AGL to recover. I offer this to point out, there are extremely dangerous flight profiles you simply don't enter because you will not exit that flight profile alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen
She died because he entered a prohibited flight profile for her aircraft. She died because she was a bad pilot. While they made a big deal about how you can't recover from what killed her, that's literally why it's prohibited to enter such a flight profile. She died because she entered the prohibited flight profile and not because she couldn't recover. A fine but important distinction.
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