Well, I'm just saying, Jews often claim ownership over America and if everyone who was involved in the founding of it was essentially subservient to Jews, then it's hard to disagree & argue the point. Martin Luther read the Talmud in an effort to understand why Jews were being so difficult to convert as well as to translate it, he couldn't understand why someone who professed to follow the Laws of Moses would be so staunchly & unreasonably opposed to it, and when he read through the Babylonian Talmud- that's when he became Anti-Semitic and ruled them out completely as being innately satanic. Wikipedia is always going to present information in a bias, manipulative way, it's best just to read his actual writings on the matter. Hitler also had the Talmud exposed in museums for German people to read, rather than having all of them burnt. It's quite a troublesome question to answer because of how convoluted & extensive the history is, and how many details there are that could be missed. We can see what is readily apparent in the present, so the issue is simplifying all that history into something more accessible. I doubt I have the expertise to do that for you. It's not as if they suddenly went from being ghetto bums to mincing with Lords and Ladies, and they're not all elevated to the same degree. Even if they build a state within a state, and are internationally connected to one another, they still have their own hidden hierarchy. It was a gradual process so I can't readily pinpoint a specific time which defines some kind of 'crossover point'. I could point out when the Rothschilds haggled the right to intermarry with the British Royal Family, but there were Jews that entered into substantial power before that point. I could also point out when they became such successful bankers that they had Lords and Royals by the balls, but even at that point, a King could simply decide to outlaw usury and behead them or exile them all for such a grave sin. I suspect that much of the Venetian nobility that migrated into Western Europe, called the "Black Nobility," were not entirely Italian. They are the source of the Baroque parties & culture and the "Hellfire Clubs" dotted throughout Britain. As Venice was a centre of usury & mercantilism as well as a hive of human trafficking & debauchery. It was a 'neutral' safe-haven for the fugitives of other lands (like Jews). The plutocratic elite of Venice formed a council in Venice, replacing the Doge as the main authority. And those select families/ bloodlines actually make up the founding stock of the 'Germanic' Royal families that we have today. House Guelph, House Hanover... etc. If that is true then the Nobility who were already in power had a genetic connection with Jews, which other Europeans didn't have. I could also point out when the Puritans took power in Britain, and welcomed the Jews back in after they were expelled- I believe those Puritans saw the Jews as religious authorities, considering themselves as interlopers that were grafted in. I wonder about the witch-hunting in America though, black garbs are associated with Saturn, and the hat is actually a kind of "Judenhut," so were the witches really just 'pagans'? In 1917 there was already international Jewish barons, like the Rothschilds, and they helped finance Communist revolutions in, not just Russia, but other places too. Weimar Germany was completely dominated by Jews, particularly in the main cities, like Berlin, so the Kaiser interfering in Russian affairs doesn't surprise me. Moses Hess was involved in the founding of Proto-Communism as well as Political Zionism, so the dichotomy between Neo-con/ Capitalist Zionists and Atheistic Communists is false. If I remember correctly- he believed that the Jews, as a collective, were their own messiah, and that racial groups will naturally compete with one another according to their strengths & natures. https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/the-secret-history-underground-dungeons,:e Have you watched this video? It's about "Saint Theodora" but the similarities to the present are uncanny.