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Here's the thing I don't get with jews in the west and maybe you can help; until a particular point in history that I fail to identify, they were just bums for the most part, like they had no power they were the lowest of the low in terms of social status and power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

Martin Luther (1483–1546) was a German professor of theology, priest and seminal leader of the Reformation. His positions on Judaism continue to be controversial. These changed dramatically from his early career, where he showed concern for the plight of European Jews to his later years, when embittered by his failure to convert them to Christianity, he became outspokenly antisemitic in his statements and writings. Recent historical studies have focused on Luther's influence on modern antisemitism, with a particular focus on Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism#Evolution_of_his_views

Luther's attitude toward the Jews changed over the course of his life. At the beginning of his career, it was influenced by Johann Reuchlin, who was the great-uncle of his friend Philip Melanchthon. Luther relied on Reuchlin for answering questions about Hebrew and had used one of his Cabalistic books to help his argument in a debate. Reuchlin had successfully prevented the Holy Roman Empire from burning Jewish books, but was racked by heresy proceedings as a result. In the early phase of Luther's career—until around 1536—he expressed concern for their plight in Europe and was enthusiastic at the prospect of converting them to Christianity through his religious reforms. Being unsuccessful in that, in his later career, Luther denounced Judaism and called for harsh persecution of its followers, so that they might not be allowed to teach. In a paragraph from his On the Jews and Their Lies he deplores Christendom's failure to expel them.[1] Moreover, he proposed "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews":[1]

"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …" "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed." "Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them." "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …" "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …" "Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …" "Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country …"

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So the question is, when and where did their purse power and political rise suddenly came into existence?

Now maybe they always have been powerful starting since medieval europe, at least when it comes to elite jews, but it doesn't sound like it to me. Take the 1917 revolution in russia, they were underdogs financed in part by the last german kaiser but that's about it, they weren't top dogs. As far as I understand it, they contributed to the overthrow of every social order in which they were under dogs

Here's the thing I don't get with jews in the west and maybe you can help; until a particular point in history that I fail to identify, they were just bums for the most part, like they had no power they were the lowest of the low in terms of social status and power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism Martin Luther (**1483–1546**) was a German professor of theology, priest and seminal leader of the Reformation. His positions on Judaism continue to be controversial. **These changed dramatically from his early career, where he showed concern for the plight of European Jews** to his later years, when embittered by his failure to convert them to Christianity, he became outspokenly antisemitic in his statements and writings. Recent historical studies have focused on Luther's influence on modern antisemitism, with a particular focus on Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism#Evolution_of_his_views Luther's attitude toward the Jews changed over the course of his life. At the beginning of his career, it was influenced by Johann Reuchlin, who was the great-uncle of his friend Philip Melanchthon. Luther relied on Reuchlin for answering questions about Hebrew and had used one of his Cabalistic books to help his argument in a debate. Reuchlin had successfully prevented the Holy Roman Empire from burning Jewish books, but was racked by heresy proceedings as a result. In the early phase of Luther's career—until around 1536—he expressed concern for their plight in Europe and was enthusiastic at the prospect of converting them to Christianity through his religious reforms. Being unsuccessful in that, in his later career, Luther denounced Judaism and called for harsh persecution of its followers, so that they might not be allowed to teach. In a paragraph from his On the Jews and Their Lies he deplores Christendom's failure to expel them.[1] Moreover, he proposed "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews":[1] "First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …" "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed." "Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them." "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …" "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …" "Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …" "Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country …" ... So the question is, when and where did their purse power and political rise suddenly came into existence? Now maybe they always have been powerful starting since medieval europe, at least when it comes to elite jews, but it doesn't sound like it to me. Take the 1917 revolution in russia, they were underdogs financed in part by the last german kaiser but that's about it, they weren't top dogs. As far as I understand it, they contributed to the overthrow of every social order in which they were under dogs

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Well, I'm just saying, Jews often claim ownership over America and if everyone who was involved in the founding of it was essentially subservient to Jews, then it's hard to disagree & argue the point.

Martin Luther read the Talmud in an effort to understand why Jews were being so difficult to convert as well as to translate it, he couldn't understand why someone who professed to follow the Laws of Moses would be so staunchly & unreasonably opposed to it, and when he read through the Babylonian Talmud- that's when he became Anti-Semitic and ruled them out completely as being innately satanic. Wikipedia is always going to present information in a bias, manipulative way, it's best just to read his actual writings on the matter. Hitler also had the Talmud exposed in museums for German people to read, rather than having all of them burnt.

It's quite a troublesome question to answer because of how convoluted & extensive the history is, and how many details there are that could be missed. We can see what is readily apparent in the present, so the issue is simplifying all that history into something more accessible. I doubt I have the expertise to do that for you.

It's not as if they suddenly went from being ghetto bums to mincing with Lords and Ladies, and they're not all elevated to the same degree. Even if they build a state within a state, and are internationally connected to one another, they still have their own hidden hierarchy.
It was a gradual process so I can't readily pinpoint a specific time which defines some kind of 'crossover point'. I could point out when the Rothschilds haggled the right to intermarry with the British Royal Family, but there were Jews that entered into substantial power before that point. I could also point out when they became such successful bankers that they had Lords and Royals by the balls, but even at that point, a King could simply decide to outlaw usury and behead them or exile them all for such a grave sin.

I suspect that much of the Venetian nobility that migrated into Western Europe, called the "Black Nobility," were not entirely Italian. They are the source of the Baroque parties & culture and the "Hellfire Clubs" dotted throughout Britain. As Venice was a centre of usury & mercantilism as well as a hive of human trafficking & debauchery. It was a 'neutral' safe-haven for the fugitives of other lands (like Jews). The plutocratic elite of Venice formed a council in Venice, replacing the Doge as the main authority. And those select families/ bloodlines actually make up the founding stock of the 'Germanic' Royal families that we have today. House Guelph, House Hanover... etc. If that is true then the Nobility who were already in power had a genetic connection with Jews, which other Europeans didn't have.

I could also point out when the Puritans took power in Britain, and welcomed the Jews back in after they were expelled- I believe those Puritans saw the Jews as religious authorities, considering themselves as interlopers that were grafted in. I wonder about the witch-hunting in America though, black garbs are associated with Saturn, and the hat is actually a kind of "Judenhut," so were the witches really just 'pagans'?

In 1917 there was already international Jewish barons, like the Rothschilds, and they helped finance Communist revolutions in, not just Russia, but other places too. Weimar Germany was completely dominated by Jews, particularly in the main cities, like Berlin, so the Kaiser interfering in Russian affairs doesn't surprise me. Moses Hess was involved in the founding of Proto-Communism as well as Political Zionism, so the dichotomy between Neo-con/ Capitalist Zionists and Atheistic Communists is false. If I remember correctly- he believed that the Jews, as a collective, were their own messiah, and that racial groups will naturally compete with one another according to their strengths & natures.

https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/the-secret-history-underground-dungeons,:e Have you watched this video? It's about "Saint Theodora" but the similarities to the present are uncanny.

Well, I'm just saying, Jews often claim ownership over America and if everyone who was involved in the founding of it was essentially subservient to Jews, then it's hard to disagree & argue the point. Martin Luther read the Talmud in an effort to understand why Jews were being so difficult to convert as well as to translate it, he couldn't understand why someone who professed to follow the Laws of Moses would be so staunchly & unreasonably opposed to it, and when he read through the Babylonian Talmud- that's when he became Anti-Semitic and ruled them out completely as being innately satanic. Wikipedia is always going to present information in a bias, manipulative way, it's best just to read his actual writings on the matter. Hitler also had the Talmud exposed in museums for German people to read, rather than having all of them burnt. It's quite a troublesome question to answer because of how convoluted & extensive the history is, and how many details there are that could be missed. We can see what is readily apparent in the present, so the issue is simplifying all that history into something more accessible. I doubt I have the expertise to do that for you. It's not as if they suddenly went from being ghetto bums to mincing with Lords and Ladies, and they're not all elevated to the same degree. Even if they build a state within a state, and are internationally connected to one another, they still have their own hidden hierarchy. It was a gradual process so I can't readily pinpoint a specific time which defines some kind of 'crossover point'. I could point out when the Rothschilds haggled the right to intermarry with the British Royal Family, but there were Jews that entered into substantial power before that point. I could also point out when they became such successful bankers that they had Lords and Royals by the balls, but even at that point, a King could simply decide to outlaw usury and behead them or exile them all for such a grave sin. I suspect that much of the Venetian nobility that migrated into Western Europe, called the "Black Nobility," were not entirely Italian. They are the source of the Baroque parties & culture and the "Hellfire Clubs" dotted throughout Britain. As Venice was a centre of usury & mercantilism as well as a hive of human trafficking & debauchery. It was a 'neutral' safe-haven for the fugitives of other lands (like Jews). The plutocratic elite of Venice formed a council in Venice, replacing the Doge as the main authority. And those select families/ bloodlines actually make up the founding stock of the 'Germanic' Royal families that we have today. House Guelph, House Hanover... etc. If that is true then the Nobility who were already in power had a genetic connection with Jews, which other Europeans didn't have. I could also point out when the Puritans took power in Britain, and welcomed the Jews back in after they were expelled- I believe those Puritans saw the Jews as religious authorities, considering themselves as interlopers that were grafted in. I wonder about the witch-hunting in America though, black garbs are associated with Saturn, and the hat is actually a kind of "Judenhut," so were the witches really just 'pagans'? In 1917 there was already international Jewish barons, like the Rothschilds, and they helped finance Communist revolutions in, not just Russia, but other places too. Weimar Germany was completely dominated by Jews, particularly in the main cities, like Berlin, so the Kaiser interfering in Russian affairs doesn't surprise me. Moses Hess was involved in the founding of Proto-Communism as well as Political Zionism, so the dichotomy between Neo-con/ Capitalist Zionists and Atheistic Communists is false. If I remember correctly- he believed that the Jews, as a collective, were their own messiah, and that racial groups will naturally compete with one another according to their strengths & natures. https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/the-secret-history-underground-dungeons,:e Have you watched this video? It's about "Saint Theodora" but the similarities to the present are uncanny.

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Very interesting video, it deserves its own post

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I think someone else made a post with it before.

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