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I've become much better at forgiving and I feel it has helped heal my spirit. There are those that I don't feel deserve forgiveness like pedophiles, but I've found a loophole by just not considering them human. Not to insult by comparing them, but when a dog does something bad like kill or be degenerate, I don't blame the dog because it's an animal, and therefore doesnt need forgiveness, they need training or to be put down (in the case the dog mauled a child or killed another pet or human, only put dogs down for serious agregences.).

But I feel there's some people that hit closer to home, like close friends or family that you came to love and respect, that have done something horrible or wrong to us that could be forgiven, but we could not bring ourselves to do it because it was a serious offence. For example, if your family abandoned you because of the COVID Scam but are trying to re-associate with you acting like nothing happened.

How can you forgive something like that, or how do you handle the internal struggle something like that must cause?

(Note, I am not personally struggling with this particular problem, but I do think it's an important subject that a lot of people struggle with and it needs to be discussed) (Edit: grammar)

I've become much better at forgiving and I feel it has helped heal my spirit. There are those that I don't feel deserve forgiveness like pedophiles, but I've found a loophole by just not considering them human. Not to insult by comparing them, but when a dog does something bad like kill or be degenerate, I don't blame the dog because it's an animal, and therefore doesnt need forgiveness, they need training or to be put down (in the case the dog mauled a child or killed another pet or human, only put dogs down for serious agregences.). But I feel there's some people that hit closer to home, like close friends or family that you came to love and respect, that have done something horrible or wrong to us that could be forgiven, but we could not bring ourselves to do it because it was a serious offence. For example, if your family abandoned you because of the COVID Scam but are trying to re-associate with you acting like nothing happened. How can you forgive something like that, or how do you handle the internal struggle something like that must cause? (Note, I am not personally struggling with this particular problem, but I do think it's an important subject that a lot of people struggle with and it needs to be discussed) (Edit: grammar)

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[–] • 6 pts

The entire sermon on the mount was done in hyperbole to help illiterate the bar with God sets for Himself, and what is law dictates we live as.

We cannot and will not ever meet that bar.

When Jesus ended his ministry, one of his firmest commandments was to arm yourself. Sell possessions if you must, but be armed and prepared because his followers are sheep amount wolves.

Forgiveness has a place, and we should always be prepared. But forgiveness is not an excuse to allow yourself to be taken advantage of, or to compromise values that can help you be a proper follower of Christ.

By the literal definition of 70 x 7, European Christianity should have been destroyed by the muslims. But we fought back, with the Lord on our side, to protect our faith. Don't mistake modern pacifism for true Christianity values and morals.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

I think that was well said, I've never quite been able to put that reasoning into words.

[–] • 1 pt

You only truly forgive those who are willing to go through the lengths of forgiveness. An empty "sorry" does not mean he is truly asking for forgiveness. We live in the age of lies; your survival depends on knowing this concept.

[–] • 3 pts

I'll forgive to those I believe deserving of it.

To those I do not believe deserving of it I will not forgive and am prepared to execute justice upon.

I believe God wants me to be this way.

[–] • 5 pts

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself is such a shit translation. I love the KJV but in modern English this is entirely wrong.

It really should read "The value by which you judge others is the value by which you shall also be judged."

[–] • 1 pt

WTF so God is going to judge me by the cola of my skeen.

[–] • 2 pts

Well, the commandment was to spread the gospel throughout the entire world. So my assumption is he wants all races and ethnicities (as much as we might dislike it for some groups).

Of course when the pool is muddied by like false teachings, corrupt sects, and a general lack of knowledge of the source material, it's pretty easy to predict the end results.

How many times does a nigger kill, steal, rape, pillage, and other manner of sin, yet claims to be a good Christian boy who goes to church. As if the act of singing a gospel song and listening to a borderline singing nigger who does the exact same thing will somehow excuse their behavior and lifestyle.

And don't even get me started on these "Jews for Jesus" or "Black Hebrew Israelites"

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

He is saying that the better judge you are of others the better the judge will be against you when you die. Justice is not supposed to be forgiving.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

From what I can tell from Poal, you are doing God's work.

[–] • 1 pt

I do my best and I truly believe God is on our side.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I think He's on our side as well but the congregation forgets their obligations to God. But I'm sure He see's the efforts of His loyal servants and will wield them against the forces of darkness when the time comes.

[–] • 2 pts

My problem is a lot of armchair Christians immediately rush to "forgive someone of their transgressions" before that person has even asked for forgiveness. That serial murder probably doesn't even think he's done something wrong, much less asked for forgiveness. Why the fuck should he be forgiven?

Yet you hear all these families go on and on about how they forgive Crazy McStabster for murdering their loved ones, while he's just grinning like an idiot and looking forward to 30 years of food and shelter with a chance of parole. I think people have confused forgiveness with grief acceptance.

[–] • 2 pts

Simple solution to all this is for people to read their fucking Bible, preferably multiple translations. But that's not gonna fucking happen.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt (edited )

That got me in quite the pickle a long while back. I was about 17 and was a devout Christian, raised that way, and read the Bible with some of my freetime to think my own thoughts and grow my relationship with the Lord. But my mom threatened to kick me out of the house if I didnt go to church. The closer I grew to the Lord, the more I realized, Jesus didnt really want to be worshiped, he wanted us to praise God, and every Christian I ever met seemed to be missing the point, because even before the red pill I didnt like Jesus worship being turned into jew worship.

I didnt like our congregation that much so I didnt want to go to church every sunday when I got more out of the Bible from reading it myself than listening to our own pastor. My Ma and I got into a Bible battle, it was the first real argument I'd ever gotten with her and we were quoting the Bible at each other. But when she would quote a verse, I would open the Bible up to the verse, tell her what it really said, then I would read before and after to show her she cant misquote the Bible at me to enforce her will, and that Jesus would be very disappointed with her for misquoting scripture for power.

I dont think I've ever seen her that angry before, nor had I ever been that angry. When she told me "I'm your mother, you will obey me or be homeless, my house my rules" I told her I wasnt Christian anymore thanks to her and I will gladly be homeless than stay with a worse than fake Christian. I packed everything into my car and told her I would go first thing in the morning and tell gramma that I've been made homeless by my insane mom. She stopped being angry after that and started being nervous.

The next morning she told me she talked to her friend who told her I was right, and she would move out and rent a place from her friend up in the mountains and I could stay home until I was ready to move out. It was wild

[–] • 1 pt

Makes sense why your previous comments indicated you were very mistrustful of religion as a whole, then. I'm in a similar boat, but from a far more cultish source, so I understand completely

[–] • 1 pt

That is why you dont forget. Someone who was forgiven and came back to do evil is not supposed to be forgiven as easily as if it was the first time. This is why the Catholic Church always preached simultaneously forgiveness, exile and the death penalty.

[–] • 2 pts

He told you to forgive, but made no mentions whether to forget.

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[–] • 1 pt

I see forgiveness happening in only two ways; an incredible amount of empathy or understanding why they did what they did and forgiving their actions based on their failure to accurately understand the situation.

When it comes to forgiveness, it's all about context and understanding their misunderstanding. They were obviously freaked out and felt that associating with anyone non-vaccinated was a risk too great to take. If you forgive them, you accept they made a reasonable judgement call based on their gross misunderstanding of Covid.

Also, it helps to see it from their point of view. They were likely watching the news and MSM daily which caused them to essentially become brainwashed. If they're reaching out to you, it's a great opportunity to reconnect.

[–] • 1 pt

Do like the lord said and forgive them 70x7 times. The 491st time they fuck with you, smash them over the head with a ball peen hammer.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I bet Jesus mastered one of the martial arts of self defense that disarms the opponent but doesnt kill them.

[–] • 2 pts

jewjitsu

[–] • 1 pt

Forgiveness requires repentance. If they dont repent, it's immoral to forgive them.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Interesting perspective that they need to repent to deserve forgiveness. Is this intuition, or did you read this somewhere?

[–] • 2 pts

If you look at it from a Christian angle, 1 Corinthians 5 makes it abundantly clear that unrepentant sinners are to be expelled.

Hebrews 10:26 is even more direct in the point that continuing to sin when you know it's wrong (i.e. willful refusal to repent) is a divine death sentence. Forgiving someone under those circumstances is usurping God's authority...which is obviously wrong.

26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

Even if you look at it from an atheist perspective, forgiveness is by definition giving up a claim on someone. E.g. if I lend my buddy $5k, I have a claim on him to pay back that debt. I could choose to give up that claim on the money I voluntarily lent him, making it a de facto gift. Or I could insist he pay me baxk. There's nothing immoral about either choice as both are voluntary.

However, if he hit me over the head with a brick and stole $5k from my safe, that's immoral. Specifically assault and theft. I have a claim on MY MONEY, and giving up that claim would reward violent, evil behavior. Rewarding evil behavior makes you an accomplice or enabler of evil at minimum, which is immoral in and of itself. Hence why even for atheists it's immoral to forgive unrepentant evil.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts (edited )

I really like the way you broke this down. I think I've read these verses, but so long ago I didnt have the right perspective. I do find this interpretation of forgiveness the most sensible and intuitive version I've heard to date. Pastors of churches always going on about how you should just keep forgiving because if God wants to He will handle it.

People dont seem to remember God uses his people to perform actions on His behalf, but maybe I've got that wrong. But I also don't think God meant for His people to just stand around while He smites all the pedophiles with lightning. We are the lightning!

(Edit to add ping: )

[–] • 1 pt

The number is kind of a cool deep dive. When Cain killed Abel his big worry was being hunted down so God marked him and promised a punishment of sevenfold to anyone that touched him. His great great great grandson Lamech was every bit as wicked and said if Cain is avenged seven times, then Lamech 70x7.

The descendants of Cain used it to their advantage and became powerful leaders. So why would God allow the wicked to rule over everyone? It’s actually quite brilliant. If the righteous were in charge then the wicked would uprise and revolt overnight, killing all good men. So by allowing the wicked to rule, the righteous might have a chance to slide by unnoticed. So it’s almost a way of saying don’t be like them. If they’re marked 70x7 protection then we simply forgive 70x7 and neutralize any advantage they would’ve otherwise had. Their day will come.

In regards to your family, it’s never a fun situation to find yourself in. I haven’t seen my parents in 4 1/2 years under very similar circumstances. I just accept it for what it is but wouldn’t shut them out if they did ever reach out in the future. As tempting as it might be to say we were right and they were wrong, they were nasty hateful people for what? Because we refused an untested gene therapy? They know they messed up and it’s their shortcomings and pride that prevent them from apologizing. I look at them like immature children sometimes lol

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

Sorry for not replying for so long. You gave me alot to consider. I will definitely have to reread Genesis and Exodus with this new perspective in mind. This really could be God's plan He was talking about this whole time. thank you for sharing your insight!