I agree with you, thats why i specifically said "if YOU count him as a jew" i've just spend too long in churches where a majority of the people consider Jesus a jew and the pastor talked about him as a jew.
although, I am not against hearing out NoisySilence, I would like to know about all the subtle nuances. after all, i was raised in churches where people worshiped jews almost as much as they worshiped Jesus.
lol, i even went to a church where someone was giving their testimony and started crying because they were emotionally moved by how close to God jews were, and she was jealous. Makes me physically ill
I see your clarification and will comment further, per 's request. The confusion stems from the fact there are at least three distinct groups of people who today we call "Jew."
- The biblical Judahites, Tribe of Judah.
- The Arab Jews Jesus denounced (mixed with Canaanites, Babylonians, Edomites, Amalekites, etc...), rebuked, stated they are not children of Abraham, but Satan's children. Which is funny, because their own Talmud teaches they are the people they are suppose to genocide (Edomites).
- Modern Ashkenazi; Turkish Arabs whom may or may not have bloodline claims back to Judahites.
This is why some of the information anticlutch pushes is bullshit. As his links don't make any distinctions and it's entirely predicated upon they being one singular people, when we know for a fact that is not the case. This is also why research into who is a semite and who is not is frequently bullshit. Because much of this research assumes and requires that today's Jews and only today's Jews are the semetic people. When in fact we already know that's not the case. And even their rabbis admit their bloodlines don't go back to the original Tribe of Judah.
If you've not seen the material I've previously posted, here is a good primer. It links to comment after comment with links. I encourage you to keep following the links and review the material.
https://poal.co/c/dd5974e4-91d2-471d-aa37-6192ec9ad8fc#cmnts
Jesus is first and foremost an Israelite. He has Tribe of Judah blood rights. He was not a Jew, as in not of the Arab Jews (Pharisees, et al.) he rebukes and denounces.
Thank you very much! I appreciate your time and ability to put this information in such a straight-forward manner. Despite that I have saved and studied some of your writings and links that you've shared and have followed your discussion chains with others on the matter, I do not believe I am currently able to do the topic justice with anywhere near the clarity or accuracy that you are able to and have done many times.
Happy to help. ty.
It's a tricky subject to discuss because of peoples already strong feelings on the subject. Normally, people do not want their minds changed on something like this. but i'm glad you called it out and pinged NoisySilence.
Sorry I didnt reply yesterday, this gave me alot to think about, thank you for your time sharing this information!
No problem. You're welcome. I hope you make it all the way through the information. Many gloss over, ignore it, and move on.
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