I see your clarification and will comment further, per 's request. The confusion stems from the fact there are at least three distinct groups of people who today we call "Jew."
- The biblical Judahites, Tribe of Judah.
- The Arab Jews Jesus denounced (mixed with Canaanites, Babylonians, Edomites, Amalekites, etc...), rebuked, stated they are not children of Abraham, but Satan's children. Which is funny, because their own Talmud teaches they are the people they are suppose to genocide (Edomites).
- Modern Ashkenazi; Turkish Arabs whom may or may not have bloodline claims back to Judahites.
This is why some of the information anticlutch pushes is bullshit. As his links don't make any distinctions and it's entirely predicated upon they being one singular people, when we know for a fact that is not the case. This is also why research into who is a semite and who is not is frequently bullshit. Because much of this research assumes and requires that today's Jews and only today's Jews are the semetic people. When in fact we already know that's not the case. And even their rabbis admit their bloodlines don't go back to the original Tribe of Judah.
If you've not seen the material I've previously posted, here is a good primer. It links to comment after comment with links. I encourage you to keep following the links and review the material.
https://poal.co/c/dd5974e4-91d2-471d-aa37-6192ec9ad8fc#cmnts
Jesus is first and foremost an Israelite. He has Tribe of Judah blood rights. He was not a Jew, as in not of the Arab Jews (Pharisees, et al.) he rebukes and denounces.
Thank you very much! I appreciate your time and ability to put this information in such a straight-forward manner. Despite that I have saved and studied some of your writings and links that you've shared and have followed your discussion chains with others on the matter, I do not believe I am currently able to do the topic justice with anywhere near the clarity or accuracy that you are able to and have done many times.
Happy to help. ty.
It's a tricky subject to discuss because of peoples already strong feelings on the subject. Normally, people do not want their minds changed on something like this. but i'm glad you called it out and pinged NoisySilence.
Sorry I didnt reply yesterday, this gave me alot to think about, thank you for your time sharing this information!
No problem. You're welcome. I hope you make it all the way through the information. Many gloss over, ignore it, and move on.
I remember when I was in church when i was young, i was there for the stories, and would gloss over family trees when they went on about it in the bible and someone warned me that i should not skip over the names and family trees because that was some of the most important stuff in there. I remember scoffing at them but now that i'm older i really wished i payed more attention!
I ended up leaving the faith because the church and my mother who forced me to go did not reflect the teachings in the bible. I was at a point where I was better versed and more literate on the bible than my mother which made me realize, no one seemed to understand what the bible was really about. But the more i read the less I knew.
One of the links i posted earlier on this SubPoal is "the Red book by Jung" and he goes into the psychology of the the subconscious, he talks about the Times and the Depths. He also refers to the bible alot. Due to listening to his material, i feel like i finally understand some of what Jesus was really trying to explain.
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