Well I’m of the opinion that St. John of Kronstadt has this figured out; in hell there is democracy; and in Heaven, a Kingdom.
I promote Absolute Theocratic Monarchy, wherein the king is anointed as such by the Church, and ideally promotes the Symphonia of Church and Crown.
This has been the historic norm for European people groups since the Incarnation of Christ. It’s the default, and I see all else as deviation from that ideal form.
So in either case - democracy or dictator - we’re seeing errors. But I think the error of democracy is the more severe.
The kingdom of Heaven is presided over by the perfect God, His Son and His Holy Spirit. No connection can be made between His kingdom and the kingdom of man. As is written, the wisest of men are but a fool to God.
The monarchies were corrupted too. The church anointed the Kings on the terms of man's succession law. Is there any instance of a bishop declining a succession?
No connection can be made between His kingdom and the kingdom of man. As is written, the wisest of men but are a fool to God.
I disagree; the connection between the Kingdom in Heaven, and an earthly kingdom, is iconological.
You’re basically arguing that wood and paint must not be used for Icons because there’s no connection between physical materials, and the Kingdom of Heaven.
That belief is called Iconoclasm, and it’s been declared heretical by the Seventh Ecumenical Council. And how much less the argument applies against living people, who are themselves Icons of the Living God!
I'm not arguing for Iconoclasts, I'm saying that His Trinity is perfect, where men are not. Men can easily fall for the vices, therefore, it is a great risk surrendering yourself to one, but there is no risk in surrendering yourself to God.
A National Socialist state with man at the helm and God as the wind that guides us is the way forward.
The head of state will answer to not only the people, but to God himself.
The Reich was the reincarnated fire of the Teutonic Order, with the SS being the elite troops.
Did none of you think the knight imagery was a coincidence? Do you think for a moment that Hitler believing Providence had guided him to do preparatory work was mere babblings of an insane man hell-bent on world domination?
No. Not for a moment. Hitler's work was the preparatory work, though not in the way Hitler believed. God has a habit of doing this. He guides those to be used but not necessarily in the way they may think, on occasion.
The preparations were completed. Now the world knows what will happen if we fail. The fate of Germany in 1945 is the fate of us all if we lose.
But none of you care. Not a single one of you.
But none of you care. Not a single one of you.
Of course I care; why would I be on POAL otherwise?
I’m more in the neoreactionary side of things, being an Orthodox Monarchist and all. But unlike many of my contemporaries in that camp, I’m also a Race Realist. I argue Traditional Monarchists and National Socialists are as natural of allies as could be, and what benefits one benefits the other right up to the point where we decide who wears what hats. But we’ve got thousands of steps before we need to begin worrying about that.
Of course I care; why would I be on POAL otherwise?
Think about that.
I’m more in the neoreactionary side of things, being an Orthodox Monarchist and all.
Orthodox in the sense of Orthodox Christian? Eastern Orthodoxy?
But unlike many of my contemporaries in that camp, I’m also a Race Realist.
If only because the jews have infiltrated and subverted our doctrines. Racial differentiation is a clear theme in the Bible. What do you think all that talk about Philistines, Israelites, Caananites, Romans, and all else was for? If it didn't matter nothing would be said.
I argue Traditional Monarchists and National Socialists are as natural of allies
Allies? We're essentially the same. Just leave the uniforms and economics to us. I'd just as well live under a monarchy if it was up to my standards. I mean... We do already. Christ's.
But none of you care. Not a single one of you.
I don't think that is the case. One can care deeply while still being resigned to the fact that such a Reich is not coming for the United States. A new order is coming, whether we like that or not. Consider the world during the time of Christ. Christ did not end the Jewish war with Rome, a reason that so many of the existing Jews rejected Him. We are today living under the Rome/Babylon which never died, but which now ascends.
We will not have power in this neo-Babylon but we will be called soon to defend our Faith as opposed to reject it. I personally believe that powers and principalities beyond man are currently at work, and the redemption of Christians in this age will not come as the result of our militaristic overthrow of the many heads of the beast. I firmly believe this new world order will have its reckoning, but not before things become tragically difficult for the believers of the world.
I wonder, if while you consider the history of Hitler's Reich, you also consider that he lost, even when the allied Babylon emanating out of London/Great Britain had solidified its control of the world to a lesser degree than what it has today. Are you of the belief that our current mission/duty is to revive Hitler's project here in the States? I ask this question legitimately.
The ideal is above Hitler, but yes. It's our job to establish it.
It is our best hope, I feel. It is a powerful ideology, else the demonic rats we call jews would not bleat their propaganda in every which way in an attempt to demonize it in such a way it is beyond controlled opposition. They are fearful of it. They are afraid.
In my Reich, I'd place Christianity further toward the forefront. However, given the idiocy of the Catholic church and the many divides... No denomination would be chosen due to this. I'd rather avoid the people squabbling amongst themselves as to which is better and which we ought to put forward and whatnot... We'd never hear the end of it.
So long as we all understand God is the boss and we are merely stewards of the earth meant to ensure things remain as close to what can be seen as good as possible.
I personally believe that powers and principalities beyond man are currently at work, and the redemption of Christians in this age will not come as the result of our militaristic overthrow of the many heads of the beast. I firmly believe this new world order will have its reckoning, but not before things become tragically difficult for the believers of the world.
This is a very important insight. Just as Christ came, not to overthrow Rome, but to redeem man, so too in this age must our focus be on staying true to the faith, not compromising on all that it entails. Of course we should resist, insofar as our ability allows, any evils perpetrated by this "neo-Babylon", but we must not view our inability to totally defeat neo-Babylon as a cause for despair, for we must retain the theological virtue of hope - a true belief and expectation that neo-Babylon will have its fall, and it will be Christ, ultimately, Who brings it about, and only by staying true to Christ can we survive its collapse.
I've heard this called the 'initiated monarchy', as in initiated by the Church, and I agree completely.
Yeah, Initiated Monarchy is the Traditional Form. The Japanese had it clear up to the end of WWII; and arguably still do, though practically limited of course by having been defeated by the Allied Powers.
So I typically call it “Traditional Monarchy” when I’m referring specifically to Christian kingdoms. The forms are basically the same, but a Traditional Monarch subjects himself to Christ, by being himself constrained by the necessity of remaining in Communion with the Church. This has a moderating effect on behavior - though it requires a bold Bishop to actually excommunicate an erring monarch.
though it requires a bold Bishop to actually excommunicate an erring monarch.
Like . And Theodosius repented as a result. So based.
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