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For anyone who believes the Earth is flat I am not here to say you fell for a psyop, call you names, or insult you in general. I just have a few questions and observations I would like to have addressed. I am being respectful so please do the same.

1) I hear many people who are flat earth believers say sunrise and sunsets are perspective. My question, why is it if when you use a solar filter on a camera you can photograph the sun from sunrise to sunset you can clearly observe the sun come from behind a physical barrier, stay the same size, and then disappear bottom up behind a physical barrier? If the Earth were flat the sun is small and local, the sun should change size as it moves farther away from observer but this is not what is observed.

2) when walking cross country, why is it if I use compass, walk one mile, turn 60 degrees, walk one more, turn 60 degrees, and walk a third mile ibwill not end up near where I began. But doing the same thing with 90bdegree turns inl donl end up back where I started? If the earth were flat why would I need to make a triangle with internal angles equal to 270 degrees as opposed to 180 degrees?

3) why is it objects, regardless of their mass all accelerate at the exact same rate towards the earth when dropped? [Note you can't say density as density isn't a force and cannot give objects a vector and you cannot say buoyancy as to calculate buoyancy you have to factor in gravity]

4) why is it a pendulum drifts differently based on you position on earth?

5) why does Earth have an atmospheric pressure gradient starting at 14.7 psi and gradually decreasing as you gain elevation eventually reaching near 0? If the earth were contained then the gas particles would be hitting a physical barrier like the flat earth claims to be why do we not have a uniform pressure regardless of altitude?

6) why does every gyroscope on every aircraft all detect a 15 degree per hour drift regardless of it they're moving or stationary? [Note you can't claim its detecting the movement of the sky as the gyros are sealed and can't detect movement of the sky]

7) what would be the reason to lie about the shape of the Earth? [Note you can't say to make us turn from God, as of 2019 nearly 71% of all adults on the planet believe in a God or afterlife, most of those being Abrahamic religions so clearly this can't be the case]

8) why does a compass built in the northern hemisphere not work in the southern?

Again not being a dick I just want a real, scientifically based, intelligent answers, not the Bible says this, or this ancient culture believed this.

here is the post.

For anyone who believes the Earth is flat I am not here to say you fell for a psyop, call you names, or insult you in general. I just have a few questions and observations I would like to have addressed. I am being respectful so please do the same. 1) I hear many people who are flat earth believers say sunrise and sunsets are perspective. My question, why is it if when you use a solar filter on a camera you can photograph the sun from sunrise to sunset you can clearly observe the sun come from behind a physical barrier, stay the same size, and then disappear bottom up behind a physical barrier? If the Earth were flat the sun is small and local, the sun should change size as it moves farther away from observer but this is not what is observed. 2) when walking cross country, why is it if I use compass, walk one mile, turn 60 degrees, walk one more, turn 60 degrees, and walk a third mile ibwill not end up near where I began. But doing the same thing with 90bdegree turns inl donl end up back where I started? If the earth were flat why would I need to make a triangle with internal angles equal to 270 degrees as opposed to 180 degrees? 3) why is it objects, regardless of their mass all accelerate at the exact same rate towards the earth when dropped? [Note you can't say density as density isn't a force and cannot give objects a vector and you cannot say buoyancy as to calculate buoyancy you have to factor in gravity] 4) why is it a pendulum drifts differently based on you position on earth? 5) why does Earth have an atmospheric pressure gradient starting at 14.7 psi and gradually decreasing as you gain elevation eventually reaching near 0? If the earth were contained then the gas particles would be hitting a physical barrier like the flat earth claims to be why do we not have a uniform pressure regardless of altitude? 6) why does every gyroscope on every aircraft all detect a 15 degree per hour drift regardless of it they're moving or stationary? [Note you can't claim its detecting the movement of the sky as the gyros are sealed and can't detect movement of the sky] 7) what would be the reason to lie about the shape of the Earth? [Note you can't say to make us turn from God, as of 2019 nearly 71% of all adults on the planet believe in a God or afterlife, most of those being Abrahamic religions so clearly this can't be the case] 8) why does a compass built in the northern hemisphere not work in the southern? Again not being a dick I just want a real, scientifically based, intelligent answers, not the Bible says this, or this ancient culture believed this. @Joe_Jaywalker here is the post.

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[–] • 6 pts

This is just a textbook Gish Gallop that begs other questions but whatever.

1) here’s an entire playlist of the sun behaving exactly as expected on a flat surface according to the laws of perspective

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbs-VlztQ7VskQCqABgf7zJo

2) This is just word salad. You aren’t demonstrating this experiment or explaining how it wouldn’t work on a flat surface with magnetic north at its center.

3) the force that causes objects to fall has nothing to do with the surface we live on, and even mainstream science can’t explain what gravity is

4) don’t understand the question because you didn’t explain

5) even in an enclosed surface the pressure is greater on the bottom; there is still a pressure gradient

6) , which you also didn’t explain how it proves a spinning ball

7) the reason why has nothing to do with the evidence or proof, and the percentage of people who believe in God is irrelevant to the idea that there is a concerted effort to staunch that belief. Obviously if no one believed in God there would be no reason to dissuade them.

8) Poorly explained question, but compasses point to magnetic north. There is no single “South Pole” and there is no such thing in nature as a dipole spherical magnet, therefore no reason to believe you live on one

[–] • 3 pts

So you what you're saying is your just going to dismiss all of these observations with no explanations? That's what I thought.

1)Per your own video none of those observations do the demonstration with a solar filter.

2)I already said these aren't experiments they are observations. We know on a slat surface triangles must have internal angles equaling 180 degrees. Which means equilateral triangle have 60 60 60 degree internal angles. So why can't I make an equilateral triangle to navigate back to my start point if I'm walking on a flat surface?

3)We do know everything accelerates at the same rate no? We know this is the gravitational constant no?

4)pretty simple question I use a pendulum in New York and measure the angle of the drift. My friend in Miami does the same thing measures the angular drift. Why are our angles different?

5) sealed systems do not have gradient. That's just a blatant lie to say otherwise.

And it's not a poor question. I have compass. I cross the equator. It no longer works. Why?

I think we are done here Joe. You demonstrated exactly what I thought you would.

[–] • 3 pts

Sealed systems absolutely do have a pressure gradient. I can’t even believe you’re claiming otherwise.

You haven’t done any of these demonstrations or explained how they are exclusive to a spinning ball.

[–] • 3 pts

So you're saying when I check the pressure of my tire and it says 38 psi it's only 38 psi closest to the wall of the tire? Or the wheel. What about in my compressor in my show it it not at 200 psi throughout the tank?

[–] • 1 pt

I have personally done the solar filter The navigation and the pendulum. The others are demonstrable observations.

[–] • 1 pt

Pffff

More gish gallop...

[–] • 2 pts

These are responses I expected.

[–] • 5 pts

  1. You don't.

  2. Have you actually done that?

  3. Because gravity isn't what they say.

  4. Because gravity isn't what they say.

  5. Because they told you that.

  6. They don't.

  7. To isolate. In old religion they isolated people by saying they live in an inescapable dome. New religion (science) says you are isolated on an inescapable globe.

  8. Because of the magnetic field that emits from the middle.

Science is the modern religion. You must trust it. Have faith in it. Obey it or else.

[–] • 5 pts

So sure of yourself yet your answers are just as dogmatic as the other route of inquiry into the subject.

[–] • 4 pts

They're dumb answers because you expect me to use jewish academia to prove my point. You are the one that is so sure of "the science" that nothing can break your faith. It's the modern religion.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Notice he just implied only Jews are intelligent and learned and that all knowledge originates from jews.

Meaning, if you use math or science to support your position, you are a jew and must be ignored. See how that works?

He's placing Jews on pedestal and using that claim to swat you down.

I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

You do

Yes I have

That's not an explanation

Gravity isn't what the pendulum drift is demonstrating, it is demonstrating rotation.

The pressure gradient has been demonstrated that's why you need oxygen or a pressurized cabin for high altitude flights

They absolutely do

We escape the earth often

That does not explain why the compass stops working when I cross the equator

[–] • 2 pts

You don't make any sense

[–] • 5 pts

Imagine believing you live on a spinning ball and that there are agencies exploring “space,” yet instead of showing visual evidence that proves you live on a ball, you have to resort to abstract bullshit like talking about pendulums.

[–] • 0 pt

That does not explain why the compass stops working when I cross the equator

I'm curious, never heard this before. What does the compass do when you cross the hemisphere?

[–] • 1 pt

Basically compasses are calibrated to their nearest magnetic pole. Northern Hemisphere compasses when taken across the equator drift a substantial number degrees depending on the compass manufacturer. And vise versa

Some cool history, when the British sent their navy to the Falklands their initial barrage was a mile off target because they recalibrated their navigational equipment when they crossed the equator but not their targeting equipment.

[–] • 0 pt

If you care, the is something called magnetic precession. This also requires localized adjustment for the local magnetic variance.

Regardless, this also indirectly infers a spinning globe.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

🙄Pfff... Those silly roundearth theorists...

[–] • 5 pts

I've flown from Los Angeles to Melbourne Australia. 15 hour flight. On clear days if you're in a window seat you see the spherical form of the Earth and at no point do you suddenly flip over since the Southern hemisphere is a completely different climate.

Won't even consider flat Earth rants as real and I am a conspiracy theorist.

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

That's not even accounting for the time difference the jet lag produces. You can use relatively simple math that uses the values of average flight speed, and average degree of latitude of flight path, contrasted against the longitudinal point of departure and point of arrival. There are slightly more complex formulas for extra precision.

The distances between and local time differences of both points will match the Globe model, whereas plugging the flight data into the Flat Earth model will net a result off by a factor of 2.5!

I can only conclude that all flat earthers fit into two camps: Willfully ignorant retards and disinformation shills.

[–] • 0 pt

huh? What map system are you using? If you assume the earth is a perfect sphere your calculations will be off every single time.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Yes, the Earth is an oblong sphere, but it's not really enough to skew the results. The fact that the calculations involve longitude and lattitude makes it quite accurate.

[–] • 2 pts

You mean empirical evidence and observation is more important than unrelated thought experimenta?

That's heretical according to the FEers here.

[–] • 0 pt

That's not empirical evidence.

[–] • 1 pt

Lol, you can’t see curvature from an airplane moron. Even Black Science Man says you can’t see curvature from 120,000 feet let alone 30,000.

You pompous retards don’t even understand your own bullshit well enough to regurgitate it.

I’ve been on a airplane plenty of times and it looks completely fucking flat the entire time. Not only that, but the horizon rises to meet your eye level instead of dropping away in all directions as it would on a globe.

SMH

[–] • 0 pt

I've flown at 44k feet several times, on clear days I cannot see the curvature of the earth.

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So the Earth is one large flat plank and the Southern Hemisphere is below the Northern one and an airplane needs to do an incredible nosedive and turn to get to the bottom and ships kind of float off like they've hit a massive waterfall?

The 2 completely opposite climates means ones on the bottom and ones on the top with the flat Earth theory.

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So the Earth is one large flat plank

If that's what you want it to be, who am I to argue, I don't have the same opinion.

and the Southern Hemisphere is below the Northern one

That's one way, but not the true way of looking at it.

and an airplane needs to do an incredible nosedive and turn to get to the bottom and ships kind of float off like they've hit a massive waterfall?

I don't get where you came to that conclusion, but that sounds pretty nutty and not at all what I believe, and it's even crazier to think that you simply assume what others believe. Before we go any further, we should find a common ground and not rely on assumptions.

[–] • 5 pts

Our solar system (not to scale)

☀️ 🧶🔮 🧇 🏀 🥎 🪐 ⚽ 🧿 o 🐢

Flat Earth Science!

[–] • 2 pts

Except this is a straw man argument because you can’t show that any of the other celestial bodies are spheres. Fail again.

[–] • 6 pts

Yeah, Saturn's rings are flat as hell!

[–] • 2 pts

Also Flat Earthers don’t believe in “outer space.” The planets are mobile lights in the sky, and that’s all you can know of them. So this is a straw man within a straw man. Leave it to globetards to upvote a double fallacy.

[–] • 5 pts

You can’t? So some aliens went and shaded the moon and shit to make it look spherical? This whole thing is retarded and has always been used as a distraction from actual issues. I don’t give a fuck if the earth is somehow actually flat. That would be extremely surprising, but whatever. You and all the other flat earth obsessed retards seem like such fucking faggots I wouldn’t believe you anyway.

[–] • 1 pt

Something can resemble a sphere and not actually be a sphere.

Like how you guys think we live on a ball even though everything looks like a flat horizon.

I look at the moon every night that I can and it is the same face facing us every time. The same pattern is always visible.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

Look at the moon and sun… they are fucking circles, as in orbs.

[–] • 0 pt

The earth the sun, the moon, and planets are referred to as disks by NASA, and every major meteorological agency on Earth.

[–] • 0 pt

Which is it? Those are different shapes.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

An orb is a sphere A sphere (from Greek σφαῖρα—sphaira, "globe, ball") is a geometrical object in three-dimensional space that is the surface of a ball. Like a circle in a two-dimensional space, a sphere is defined mathematically as the set of points that are all at the same distance r from a given point in a three-dimensional space.

[–] • 0 pt

He said circles. A circle is not a sphere.

[–] • 2 pts

  1. There's a video of it fading away. The guy that took it said he had to zoom in a lot and do it on a cold clear day so the moisture in the air didn't mess with the light.

  2. No idea

  3. Incoherent electrostatic acceleration

  4. Could be magnetism. Not sure.

  5. I'm not convinced that there even is a pressure gradient. Something interesting to look into.

  6. They don't. The guy that made that video was lying. People have set a laser gyro on a table and watched it do absolutely nothing. National Geographic was caught faking a video that "proved" a physical horizon. A guy tried to "prove" a 24 hour sun in Antarctica. It was exposed as a fake. People lie to defend the globe.

  7. Well NASA gets like 70 million dollars a day so that's a pretty big incentive.

  8. Isn't this fact in favor of flat earth? You would think that the same magnet that is attracted to the north pole would be equally repelled in the same direction by the south pole, on the globe model. But if the compass performs worse as you get further away from magnetic north, that would indicate that there isn't a south pole at all.

[–] • 2 pts

You are wasting your time, flat earthers are degenerates.

[–] • 2 pts (edited )

Unfortunately the group here all use standard propaganda tactics. They always refuse to answer questions or demonstrate their position. They frequently dishonestly punt to debunked FE videos and then demand you personally debunk what is already debunked.

The people here are all trolls or shills and I remain unconvinced any actually believe what they are typing. None seem willing to openly discuss anything. Which is strange as people love pushing their belief systems into others and receive joy in doing so. Not these guys.

Edit: I forgot. You can't use math. Only Jews use math or science. Which means if you do use as much as a fraction, you are a jew. And, any legitimate question they can't answer is a garbage question. That's your fault, not theirs.

Lol.

[–] • 3 pts

I did this because flat earthen said he would address all of these points if I made a post. So I'm calling him out. You are right though. They haven't had a new point in years and they regurgitate already disproved talking points. They can't even make a functional map.

[–] • 2 pts

Yes. And when major talking points are invalidated, which undermine the entire FE theory, they completely ignore that and then try to back peddle into a new topic, as if they still had legs under them.

A true believer would be disturbed and want to learn more or understand how the point in question is wrong. Not these guys. "Nothing to see here. Move along. Quickly now."

[–] • 1 pt

It's so disappointing.

[–] • 2 pts

Can you project any more? Your entire post is regurgitation of shit you don’t understand, can’t demonstrate, which has been disproven a hundred times, or is completely irrelevant to the shape of the world.

[–] • 1 pt

Thank you for providing a textbook definition of projection.

[–] • 0 pt

It's not projection of anything. I can explain all these observations. You cant.

[–] • 2 pts

For the curious

1891 at the Lick Observatory, Mt. Hamilton, California.

https://happymag.tv/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/jupiter-1890.png

1979 time-lapse sequence taken by Voyager 1 dubbed the Voyager “Blue Movie” taken over a period of 60 days

https://happymag.tv/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/voyager_jupiter.gif

Voyager 1 snapped this portrait of Saturn on its November 1980 flyby.

https://images.ctfassets.net/cnu0m8re1exe/2CMUvGGOJ2nDa3dmYeTWHn/9a533a59f231129c360505d719de973a/voyager_1_saturn.jpeg?fm=jpg&fl=progressive&w=660&h=433&fit=fill

Artist Trouvelet, E. L. (Etienne Leopold) moon enclipse observed in 1874

https://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=TROUVELOT_007&t=w

Artist Trouvelot, E. L. (Etienne Leopold) saturn observed in 1881 https://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=TROUVELOT_010&t=w

The great nebula in Orion: From a study made in the years 1875-76 Artist Trouvelot, E. L. (Etienne Leopold)

https://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=TROUVELOT_015&t=w

infrared shot of Uranus and its rings, taken by astronomer Mike Brown using the adaptive optics system at Hawaii's Keck Observatory. June 18, 2000

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/u9ypndLyay8maGuXyphmei-970-80.jpg

August 1989. Voyager 2’s photograph of Neptune

https://images.newrepublic.com/cf3fa78985e580695c0e2d3b982198014d0c2fac.jpeg?w=624&h=624

Many of these images you can still see today with hobbyist telescopes and the naked eye

[–] • 2 pts

4 pendulum and 6 gyro are great ones.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Hey, great thread. I've looked at this question for quite a while and to be honest, I do not believe either way. Much like the old moon landing footage, there is so much bullshit from governments that we as individuals are just trying to cut through the fog in search of the truth. I neither attack or belittle people trying to make sense of any of this. Flat, globe, hollow or hologram, it's all speculation versus belief. We truly don't KNOW, we take what we are given or we don't. As in so many other debates, I enjoy the show. I have reasons to lean this way or that, but evidence does not equal proof. But please do carry on fellas.

[–] • 1 pt

You....I like you

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

Thank you Mike. I try to be reasonable in these discussions.

[–] • 1 pt

You must enjoy the journey, me I want answers.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Yes, I do enjoy the journey. I am on many journeys. Hard fact answers can be so difficult to attain. My rule of thumb is that whatever the government/church/experts are pushing - that is the wrong answer. Furthermore, if you do find the absolute truth on any topic, the experts will label you a crackpot. But then, I only trust the crackpots.

[–] • 1 pt

About the only thing the church pushes is the big bang (catholic invention). Prior to this was earth centrucism and flat earth.

You might be right.

[–] • 1 pt

I love the journey too, it's like anticipating travelling, nothing is better than your own imagination.

But I believe I have, finally, answers to some of my most profound questions and curiosity.

Seems there's always something new to pursue though.

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