definitely not. i've transferred to poal today because of it. it's suppression of free speech, pure and simple.
definitely not. i've transferred to poal today because of it. it's suppression of free speech, pure and simple.
Voat: Say what you want(unless putt doesn't like it)
Terms and conditions may apply
Voat: Say what you want(unless putt doesn't like it)
Terms and conditions may apply
Just noticed the irony that the side advertisement: "FUCK CENSORSHIP"
Voattit.
Just noticed the irony that the side advertisement: "FUCK CENSORSHIP"
Voattit.
Putt has a new partner.
Putt has a new partner.
That's the job of the subs mods. Not Putt. He seriously stepped out of bounds on this one. He maintains the site and maintains "free speech". If a sub is being disrupted by a user, the mods have the duty to prune them. If putt is going to begin culling people for spam, then Voat is no longer a free speech platform
That's the job of the subs mods. Not Putt. He seriously stepped out of bounds on this one. He maintains the site and maintains "free speech". If a sub is being disrupted by a user, the mods have the duty to prune them. If putt is going to begin culling people for spam, then Voat is no longer a free speech platform
It is a system sub, so Putt is the mod.
It is a system sub, so Putt is the mod.
Fine, so appoint a few folks as mods of system subs. Putt himself, as site maintainer, should never have any say in bans unless its strictly for legal reasons. If Voat is truly free speech, then Justin has to remain 100% neutral
Fine, so appoint a few folks as mods of system subs. Putt himself, as site maintainer, should never have any say in bans unless its strictly for legal reasons. If Voat is truly free speech, then Justin has to remain 100% neutral
My comment was mainly to keep the facts straight. I'm still considering the situation.
Your idea may well work, but I would add that when the new voting feature is implemented (Soon™), let the users decide who gets to mod these.
My comment was mainly to keep the facts straight. I'm still considering the situation.
Your idea may well work, but I would add that when the new voting feature is implemented (Soon™), let the users decide who gets to mod these.
Which the whole point of the system subs was to have a free for all around topics. The idea is that you could get booted from a community but you couldn't get booted from discussing a topic.
Plus even in community subverses the standard is it must be in the rules before a mod acts unless it's soapbox. We have literally outed mods for just as much.
I ran a deepfakes subverse for a bit (sfw, I wanted more meme-fakes), and I had people spamming me saying "ha ha, you can't do anything. Mods can't ban for anything here." Then aged posts something game related to gaming and he gets banned.. from a system subverse... who's whole point is to be a free for all after the whole issue in /v/science. Like system is supposed to be /v/whatever with a topic.
Massive selective logic is happening or all of these users were never around for when system subverses were created and they don't get the concept.
Which the whole point of the system subs was to have a free for all around topics. The idea is that you could get booted from a community but you couldn't get booted from discussing a topic.
Plus even in community subverses the standard is it must be in the rules before a mod acts unless it's soapbox. We have literally outed mods for just as much.
I ran a deepfakes subverse for a bit (sfw, I wanted more meme-fakes), and I had people spamming me saying "ha ha, you can't do anything. Mods can't ban for anything here." Then aged posts something game related to gaming and he gets banned.. from a system subverse... who's whole point is to be a free for all after the whole /u/she issue in /v/science. Like system is supposed to be /v/whatever with a topic.
Massive selective logic is happening or all of these users were never around for when system subverses were created and they don't get the concept.
Good points. This is indeed a situation that is complex, and affects more than Voat. All of these related sites have these issues. I know of a user booted from Phuks recently for an erroneous reason, yet due to their small population and possibly retaliation, no one spoke up. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
edit: Just read your post on V. You offer a little more discussion there, which helps.
Good points. This is indeed a situation that is complex, and affects more than Voat. All of these related sites have these issues. I know of a user booted from Phuks recently for an erroneous reason, yet due to their small population and possibly retaliation, no one spoke up. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
edit: Just read your post on V. You offer a little more discussion there, which helps.
Buddha stands up for Poal: https://voat .co/v/Voat/3105929/17491689
Buddha stands up for Poal: https://voat .co/v/Voat/3105929/17491689
>Do they contain gaming artwork? If so, that's gaming related by definition.
>I don't like his content, I like free speech. He's not easy to defend, which makes it more important to do so.
This quote describes exactly why this is so fucked up. It's just another step on the slippery slope of reddit style censorship.
>>Do they contain gaming artwork? If so, that's gaming related by definition.
>>I don't like his content, I like free speech. He's not easy to defend, which makes it more important to do so.
This quote describes exactly why this is so fucked up. It's just another step on the slippery slope of reddit style censorship.
and whatever happened to goats figuring it out on their own, with "block user", upvoting the content they like to see, and this oh-so-great "RULES" system that could have been enforced locally instead of Puttler having a tantrum at SBBH's behest?
and whatever happened to goats figuring it out on their own, with "block user", upvoting the content they like to see, and this oh-so-great "RULES" system that could have been enforced locally instead of Puttler having a tantrum at SBBH's behest?
I wonder if the financial backer has something to do with this. Why would putts make complete turn around on his beliefs towards sub rules and dealing with other users?
Something smells fishy over at voat.
I wonder if the financial backer has something to do with this. Why would putts make complete turn around on his beliefs towards sub rules and dealing with other users?
Something smells fishy over at voat.
One of the crazy parts is Putts unwillingness to back down. He's OK with censoring a user that didn't technically violate the rules.
So much for free speech.
One of the crazy parts is Putts unwillingness to back down. He's OK with censoring a user that didn't technically violate the rules.
So much for free speech.
When putt wears a mods hat he wears a power mod's hat. What would have been the cost if he didn't do anything. There would be two cartoons in the /v/gaming history heavily downvoted.
With his actions the entire premise of voat is gone. He could have given a warning or changed a rule. I've done that as a mod... for legit off topic spam.
When putt wears a mods hat he wears a power mod's hat. What would have been the cost if he didn't do anything. There would be two cartoons in the /v/gaming history heavily downvoted.
With his actions the entire premise of voat is gone. He could have given a warning or changed a rule. I've done that as a mod... for legit off topic spam.
used to post a lot on /v/nsfw when I modded it. I was not into nsfw stuff that much, just took it over to keep it legit vs. one of the migrants making it a reddit sub.
Anyways, they posted a lot of stuff that was very close to the line, but don't recall them ever posting pedo / kiddie / loli stuff.
So I don't know. I modded that sub for 2-3 years and posted quite a bit, but never broke any rules or crossed any lines.
@aged used to post a lot on /v/nsfw when I modded it. I was not into nsfw stuff that much, just took it over to keep it legit vs. one of the migrants making it a reddit sub.
Anyways, they posted a lot of stuff that was very close to the line, but don't recall them ever posting pedo / kiddie / loli stuff.
So I don't know. I modded that sub for 2-3 years and @aged posted quite a bit, but never broke any rules or crossed any lines.
I'm not a big fan of Putt's ... I quit goatland over his inability to give a shit about the place for a long stretch of time. That being said, I think Owners/Admins sometimes gotta make calls like this. Over the years you see it often, some users are just there to stir trouble and piss everyone else off. When ya give these folks chance after chance and they ignore ya ... it's time to just say ... hell, it's my site and I've had it. So banning a problem child from a sub under such circumstances seems appropriate to me.
This may not be a popular opinion ... but sometimes I think those in control just gotta do what they just gotta do, otherwise you have pure anarchy and everyone suffers for one fool.
I'm not a big fan of Putt's ... I quit goatland over his inability to give a shit about the place for a long stretch of time. That being said, I think Owners/Admins sometimes gotta make calls like this. Over the years you see it often, some users are just there to stir trouble and piss everyone else off. When ya give these folks chance after chance and they ignore ya ... it's time to just say ... hell, it's my site and I've had it. So banning a problem child from a sub under such circumstances seems appropriate to me.
This may not be a popular opinion ... but sometimes I think those in control just gotta do what they just gotta do, otherwise you have pure anarchy and everyone suffers for one fool.
I hate this argument that you have anarchy unless someone looks over the herd. I don't have anything to respond with i just hate that this is what people are . Do we need a master to control the herd?
I hate this argument that you have anarchy unless someone looks over the herd. I don't have anything to respond with i just hate that this is what people are . Do we need a master to control the herd?
Nah, not a master per se ... I've just always visited sites like this with the thought that I'm a visitor here on someone else's dime, if ya get my drift. Their call and if I don't like it, I'm always free to move on (which I've done - LOL).
Now I could make the argument in either direction in this case ... both sides have good points, on this occasion though I choose the admin knowing he put a lot of thought into this and is clearly agonizing over the decision. As stated in the original post though, spam is almost impossible to define in many cases. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut.
Nah, not a master per se ... I've just always visited sites like this with the thought that I'm a visitor here on someone else's dime, if ya get my drift. Their call and if I don't like it, I'm always free to move on (which I've done - LOL).
Now I could make the argument in either direction in this case ... both sides have good points, on this occasion though I choose the admin knowing he put a lot of thought into this and is clearly agonizing over the decision. As stated in the original post though, spam is almost impossible to define in many cases. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut.
i've always thought of it as a guardian or curator. they uphold an ideology instead of a set of rules. i thought voat was all about free speech. now i think i was wrong. let's see how poal treats me.
i've always thought of it as a guardian or curator. they uphold an ideology instead of a set of rules. i thought voat was all about free speech. now i think i was wrong. let's see how poal treats me.
Part of the reason I posed this question is because I think would have banned Aged from the site long before he got a chance to get banned from gaming. I'm basing this off some conversations we've had on where the line is. Aged has advocated for pedophilia. Advocating for pedophilia will get you banned from Poal. correct me if I'm wrong.
Part of the reason I posed this question is because I think @PMYB2 would have banned Aged from the site long before he got a chance to get banned from gaming. I'm basing this off some conversations we've had on where the line is. Aged has advocated for pedophilia. Advocating for pedophilia will get you banned from Poal. @pmyb2 correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree, as it should anywhere.
I agree, as it should anywhere.
Isn't that everyone there? The problem is one brand of trouble maker got too successful and the place got boring.
At one point the nazis were unpopular and they were the trouble makers. But did we ban them, no. That was part of the flavor of voat. It was full of trouble makers of one kind or another.
Now the most popular trouble maker is kicking the others off of the site. That's basis of anyone and everyone hating reddit. SRS was once a sad and laughed at fringe group. Now they run reddit with the coordination of the admins and mods.
At this point Voat really did become just nazi reddit just like raddle is commie reddit.
Isn't that everyone there? The problem is one brand of trouble maker got too successful and the place got boring.
At one point the nazis were unpopular and they were the trouble makers. But did we ban them, no. That was part of the flavor of voat. It was full of trouble makers of one kind or another.
Now the most popular trouble maker is kicking the others off of the site. That's basis of anyone and everyone hating reddit. SRS was once a sad and laughed at fringe group. Now they run reddit with the coordination of the admins and mods.
At this point Voat really did become just nazi reddit just like raddle is commie reddit.
Checking this place out because of the banning then them removing the sticky about it to. Now putt seems to be replying in posts about it and getting shirty with some users. Personally I don't see why the ban was enforced as the posts in question were game based and upvoated. Can't help but see this is as putt doing what the loudest members or string pullers of coat wanted. do a lot of people dislike the user. Yes. was the ban justified. No.
Checking this place out because of the banning then them removing the sticky about it to. Now putt seems to be replying in posts about it and getting shirty with some users.
Personally I don't see why the ban was enforced as the posts in question were game based and upvoated. Can't help but see this is as putt doing what the loudest members or string pullers of coat wanted.
do a lot of people dislike the user. Yes.
was the ban justified. No.
Well welcome to Poal, me and run things around here and we don’t do abtitrary bans, if you need anything feel free to ping either of us.
Well welcome to Poal, me and @AOU run things around here and we don’t do abtitrary bans, if you need anything feel free to ping either of us.
That's right, and If we're not available, you can ping (Poal's official Tranny) or (the official Poal's faggot who runs ) in Poal's minichat (bottom right tab or on .
That's right, and If we're not available, you can ping @Boone (Poal's official Tranny) or @Picman (the official Poal's faggot who runs [pic8.co](https://pic8.co)) in Poal's minichat (bottom right tab or on [riot chat](https://chat.poal.co/#/room/#general:chat.poal.co).
(Poal's official Tranny) or (the official Poal's faggot )
Could we have this information officially posted somewhere? Maybe announced?
> @Boone (Poal's official Tranny) or @Picman (the official Poal's faggot )
Could we have this information officially posted somewhere? Maybe announced?
What the fuck? Subverse mods can do that, but not Putt/admin. This is his Spez moment.
"whatever Putt thinks is spam, goes, fuck the community"
Oh Voat, you're stuck in the spiral of purity. "Oh we don't like X, even though you can post anything legal in the US on Voat, so ban those people we don't like"
So now I guess SBBH gets banned when they spam off-topic in subverses?
What the fuck? Subverse mods can do that, but not Putt/admin. This is his Spez moment.
"whatever Putt thinks is spam, goes, fuck the community"
Oh Voat, you're stuck in the spiral of purity. "Oh we don't like X, even though you can post anything legal in the US on Voat, so ban those people we don't like"
So now I guess SBBH gets banned when they spam off-topic in subverses?
I've been pinged on this post twice, can't find where anyone want to help a brotha out?
I've been pinged on this post twice, can't find where anyone want to help a brotha out?
one ping from here:
https://poal.co/s/meanwhileofvoat/46046/d572be88-8182-4340-a7c1-e47652aa2c9a
another from here:
https://poal.co/s/meanwhileofvoat/46046/91144438-da6e-42e6-bfba-a0e01a122652
only had those links because they had a reply to them.
one ping from here:
https://poal.co/s/meanwhileofvoat/46046/d572be88-8182-4340-a7c1-e47652aa2c9a
another from here:
https://poal.co/s/meanwhileofvoat/46046/91144438-da6e-42e6-bfba-a0e01a122652
only had those links because they had a reply to them.
Technically, he didn't do anything wrong. He toed the line with some younger characters in skimpy clothing, but didn't do anything wrong. I would have done a rule change first, something along the lines of "Fanart belongs in the fanart sub", and then made said sub if it didn't already exist. If he continues, then ban. Banning without at least a rule change or a warning is shifty as fuck.
Also, I think that SCP and CCP should be sub specific, so that people can't farm points in another sub, so they can shit elsewhere. I have no idea how viable that is over here, though
Technically, he didn't do anything wrong. He toed the line with some younger characters in skimpy clothing, but didn't do anything wrong. I would have done a rule change first, something along the lines of "Fanart belongs in the fanart sub", and then made said sub if it didn't already exist. If he continues, then ban. Banning without at least a rule change or a warning is shifty as fuck.
Also, I think that SCP and CCP should be sub specific, so that people can't farm points in another sub, so they can shit elsewhere. I have no idea how viable that is over here, though @PMYB2 @AOU
Points don't mean anything besides changing the color of your username. Brigading doesn't work here, and downvotes aren't used as a "I disagree" button. Downvotes are essentially used for spammers and off-topic shitpost posts/comments.
Points don't mean anything besides changing the color of your username. Brigading doesn't work here, and downvotes aren't used as a "I disagree" button. Downvotes are essentially used for spammers and off-topic shitpost posts/comments.
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