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Are you retarded? Everyone knows you need to peel and squeeze them to get the milk out.

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I mean, the males dairy calves go to the beef industry....

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They are correct, if you ask a real Dairy Farmer

I truly hate all vegans and vegetarians, and sometimes go of my way to pester them with facts, but though milk is NOT murder, nor exploitation... it does have one strange VIOLENCE aspect to the act of dairy farming....

...SEPARATING NEWBORNS FROM MOTHERS

Calves of dairy cows are generally separated from their mothers within the first 24 hours after birth. The majority of the milk thus enters the food market and not the stomachs of the calves. ... To help achieve this volume, dairy cows are typically separated from their calves just a few hours after giving birth

from paper : Early separation of cow and calf has long-term effects on social behavior

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150428081801.htm

To get the MOST milk the mother is in audible distance of the pitiful crying newborn. The heart breaking crying makes the distressed mother PRODUCE EVEN MORE MILK than if nursing a milk guzzling calf.

This is indeed a act of violence against both creatures.

But milk makes pre-adult humans SMARTER and TALLER and without milk vegetarian leaning shitholes like India would be comprised of a billion retards due to lack of vitamin b-12. Not one plant on earth can produce vitamin b-12, and humans are a rare mammal that cannot create their own B-12.

a semi-factual PRO-SEPARATION propaganda page, packed with facts, possibly funded by a Milk Board, or scientists concerned with human IQ :

https://animalagalliance.org/separating-cows-and-calves-the-real-story/

That page does NOT talk about how they torment the mother to maximize milk production.

Milk and Cheese built the White Man's high IQ Civilization

...but crying baby calves boost milk production.

Prolactin release from nipple stimulation and milk draining creates a self-maintaining cycle in all mammals, even humans.

Muslim males suck on nursing mothers nipple more than any culture, historically, and SHARE NIPPLES with all their male friends invited to a dinner or to stay under a roof. I am not kidding. DEVOUT MUSLIMS FORCE WOMEN TO SHARE MILK WITH THEIR MALE BUDDIES. Allah says to Muhammad (Peace be unto Him), that any man who has suckled a woman's nipple for milk, is forever allowed to see her naked face inside her home, and becomes family. Its like a Jew law to trick God.

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The first 3 days of milk goes to the calf, since it's colostrum. You could skip this, but it tastes different, is enormously important for the calf, and artificial colostrum is really expensive.

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To get the MOST milk the mother is in audible distance of the pitiful crying newborn.

This is just stupid, and smells like bullshit hippie propaganda. Why go to all that work when you could just play audio of a crying calf over some speakers?

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nil always mixes fact with fantasy.

Getting cows pregnant for the milk is legit, but the rest of it is waffle.

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Ok, so they get the cows pregnant, half of them will calve males. What happens to the male calfs?

No matter what way you cut it, that's a LOT of male offspring that aren't producing anything for the farm, so they're gonna end up in a burger. Can't have milk without killing cattle.

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do some homework. I provided some links. For 11,000 years europeans have separated calves keeping them crying NEARBY in audio range.

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its fact.... For 11,000 years europeans have separated calves keeping them crying NEARBY in audio range.

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Probably because 11,000 years ago they didn't have an iPod and speakers handy.

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Just get a goat and milk it in the morning and before bed. No off spring torture. Mine still produces half a gallon+/day with her kids still nursing, and I can pull them at eight weeks, she will continue producing for two years before needing to breed again.

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plus.. goats love people more than cows do, and goats act a lot smarter

Goats, like dogs, beg WHITE humans for assistance, using face mannerisms :

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/07/08/485153844/what-does-it-mean-when-a-goat-gazes-into-your-eyes

Goats, in science studies, are VERY RACIST and prefer Whites and shun and distrust NIGGERS , MUSLIMS, and people of color.

Goats instinctively shun brown skinned arabic Muslims, even if the goat is a both a male goat, and has no known history of animal rape by a Muslim.

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Goats will gaze affectionately into your eyes, too. It's a bit disconcerting when you first get them, because you don't know how to figure out where they're looking. I have a few old ladies that will come and stand by me as long as I'm there, even lay down in a semi circle just to be near. They will even talk to you. They're incredibly smart and they do have extremely individual personalities. Even if you get one that is older and isn't friendly to humans, spending time around them they eventually decide they'd like pets, too. The hard earned ones are really rewarding.

Owning goats is very difficult at first. If I had known what I learned by the first year before the first goat, I wouldn't have ever gotten them. By the second, I wouldn't give them up for anything.

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That's pretty good. I was thinking of doing sheep but that's a lot of milk. How's it taste?

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Acquired "Goaty" taste. start with small very cold glasses.

Health Food stores sell it, pasteurized by law, but i would only buy FROZEN there to ensure freshness.

"Goaty" aroma is from 4-ethyloctanal and oxydizes on a airstream to 4-ethyloctanoic acid , a "goaty odor" along with Caproic acid

https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0960982214001407

Identification of an Olfactory Signal Molecule that Activates the Central Regulator of Reproduction in Goats:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2014.01.073

Also not mentioned is another more powerful and more famous goat smell :

hexanoic acid, also known as Caproic acid

"Caproic" is literally "Goat"

synthesis of goat ass odor : Making Hexanoic Acid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy4xeixw_X8

I do not know why that first paper I linked went out of its way to dismiss effect of goats emitting Caproic Acid and to focus on a sex hormone so much.

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I've been told that every goat has it's own "flavor". The Nigerian dwarf is thick and creamy, sweet. The lamancha is about the same consistency as full fat cow milk, but also sweet. I've seen some people say their goat's milk tasted bucky, and that keeping bucks near the does will do that. I haven't experienced that problem but mine aren't together.

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Not to mention, keeping a dairy bull is very dangerous thereby making dairies and homesteaders like my family to use artificial insemination as a means of conception. If you think about it, it's pretty rapey.

https://youtu.be/R6fYyxs_lDE

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I truly hate all vegans and vegetarians, and sometimes go of my way to pester them with facts,

Go for it if you like, I used to be vegan, still a veggie.

To get the MOST milk the mother is in audible distance of the pitiful crying newborn. The heart breaking crying makes the distressed mother PRODUCE EVEN MORE MILK than if nursing a milk guzzling calf.

Interesting, I hadn't known that. Even without that though, most male calves will still be slaughtered. There nothing else they can do with them all. Also they inject them with all kinds of hormones which end up in the milk and do gods know what to us.

But milk makes pre-adult humans SMARTER and TALLER and without milk vegetarian leaning shitholes like India would be comprised of a billion retards due to lack of vitamin b-12. Not one plant on earth can produce vitamin b-12, and humans are a rare mammal that cannot create their own B-12.

This is true. There is one common non-animal source of B12 which is an algae called Spirulina. It grows in swamps in Mexico and the locals there used to eat it.

Allah says to Muhammad (Peace be unto Him), that any man who has suckled a woman's nipple for milk, is forever allowed to see her naked face inside her home, and becomes family. Its like a Jew law to trick God.

That's a fucking weird custom, but I think the meaning is more that "if you know them that well then you're part of the family." It was probably already a custom at the time he lived so he used it as his test of being family, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone would make up.

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NO PLANT on earth produces useful B-12.

Spirulina has "meat" in it in the form of embedded bacteria, and of course Algae are in the plant kingdom, but technically they are not plants.

Cyanobacteria (Blue-green Algae): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria

Bacteria and Cyanobacteria can of course make b-12, and eating wet hot compost from a garbage ditch, can keep you supplied with B-12 to prevent retardation. perhaps a few very foul pungent historic forms of pickling may allow enough proper b-12 generating bacteria. Sadly, no normal home made asian pickles not even kimchee have b-12 from plant matter, or bacteria, but from soy sauce addendums.Traditional home-made soybean-fermented foods such as Doenjang, Chungkookjang, and Gochujang were found to contain higher vitamin B12, if rotting for a full 10 months, and no factories ever do that, you would have to rot the material yourself. Tofu has 0.000 B-12 in it, I am talking about breeding colonies of bacteria for b-12.

NO PLANT on earth produces useful B-12.

Spirulina is Cyanobacteria

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That's true, it's all produced by Bacteria, mostly in the bellies of ruminants.

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Listen, when a cows production of milk drops below par, usually around 5 yo., it is MURDERED and CONSUMED by people!

I'm ok with that, i like beef and milk..

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True, but it's still worth knowing. Some people think cows are just milk machines for humans and live happily on a farm until they die of old age.

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You owe it to yourself to be not ignorant, when exposing your agenda this way; i bet the girls think that they did their research thoroughly..

A more worthy cause could be protesting soybean or almond production in draught-ridden California, but that might not sit well with their target audience.

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Ha! Yeah. I dont' have a lot of respect for PETA types tbh

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On a serious note: Has milk been tasting odd to anyone else? I buy whole milk and lately it's been tasting watered down or it wasn't separated properly in the factory?

Check the pus content

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Milk is mixed with other cows prior to homogenization to average out the taste, and prevent one cancerous ruptured-cyst "pus bag" cow from being the primary contributor to a gallon of milk. It also hides the sad effect of a sick cow mainly only producing a lot of pus when milked.

Staph infected pus-rudders can be systemic to a portion of a heard though. I was talking above about a ruptured tumor or cyst being vacuum milked out.

The average cup of milk in the United States will only contain about a single drop of pus. Some batches, far far far more pus.

How much pus is there in milk?:
https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/08/how-much-pus-is-there-in-milk/

When a cow is infected, greater than 90% of the somatic cells in her milk are neutrophils, the inflammatory immune cells that form pus. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000.

Basically, once a cow becomes a "pus bagger" it goes unnoticed for several days.

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Pay extra for organic. I thought it was bullshit until I tried it.

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What state?

Try buying half and half in quart or half gallon, if you want a richer drink.

Specific gravity sample tests and milkfat tests are done on milk to prevent water-tampering that was done to over 90% of all milk in england and USA prior to the year 1912. Few dairies that flash homogenize fuck with milk in usa. They dont noticeably adulterate due to CRIMINAL law in usa. in usa a company is not merely fined... the OWNERS IN CHARGE go to jail. Food tampering is the only company crime where a boss goes to jail. One arrested for adding too much cardboard to grated cheese (a gypsy woman boss), one jailed for altering caloric content of a portion of chocolate donuts and ignoring lab reports on calories.

Roommate or buddies of roommate? No one knowingly is watering down your milk, but roommates in shared apartments do it when each roomie has a different shelf in a large refrigerator, typically a house guest fucking another roommate. Even stealing ketchup or gourmet hot sauce is forbidden in a shared refrigerator with designated shelves.

Milk is highly regulated in USA and should never taste weaker than promised fat level unless your nose is going from sars-2 aftermath.

CALIFORNIA IN PAST or PRESENT?

For over 20 years whole milk from any known breed of dairy cow is ILLEGAL to sell in the state of california. If you were used to california style fake milk, you cannot find that rich taste in any other state.

Milk in california is comprised of one part whole milk and a smaller portion of dessicated milk, to bring up its protein content to a level no normal cow can create. California law calls it FORTIFIED MILK. Other than protein levels, even whole milk in california must be fortified, and especially 1 percent milk must be mega-fortified with dessicated milk... 348 milligrams of calcium in 1% milk, 8 ounce

It is also to make milk unafordable to poor illegal alien kids. In fact in the year 2000, a gallon of milk nationwide was about 78 cents in red states, sometimes less sometimes 80 cents but $4.36 in san diego county california. In mexico across the border it was about 1.30 if you did the metric conversions. about twice as high as midwest USA but nowhere near as high as commifornia.

Why $4.36 a gallon in california in 2000? because it is also illegal to sell milk in california lower than the socialist controlled price, a price poor people cant afford, plus the fact that actual milk from any known breed of cow is and was illegal in california. California has a calculation they use based on your store size, sales per year, employees, etc then forces some stores to charge $4.36 a gallon in 2000, while in Red States it was only 78 cents average.

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For over 20 years whole milk from any known breed of dairy cow is ILLEGAL to sell in the state of california.

Got a link to the statute?

I'm gonna call bullshit since we don't see milk labeled specially for sale in California with different nutrition labels, and we don't see other ingredients disclosed. "Fortified" means with Vitamin D, which all milk in the United States is required to do.

Why $4.36 a gallon in california in 2000? because it is also illegal to sell milk in california lower than the socialist controlled price, a price poor people cant afford, plus the fact that actual milk from any known breed of cow is and was illegal in california. California has a calculation they use based on your store size, sales per year, employees, etc then forces some stores to charge $4.36 a gallon in 2000, while in Red States it was only 78 cents average.

Was it only in the year 2000? Because from my files in 2005 with milk priced at $3.49, and that's for organic milk sold at Trader Joe's.

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Its not bullshit, I told you 100% facts. To find the state laws start with searching for the number "348 milligrams of calcium in 1% milk, 8 ounce"

I said san diego, and your receipt proves my point.

small store had high penalties forcing them to sell for over a dollar higher than chains like trader joes, so you just proved my point, fool.

every word I type as a fact on this site is 100% fully correct.

EVERY post.

Its ALWAYS expensive milk in california, I picked 2000 becuase national supplies ballooned, just like in the year 2008 when milk hit 74 cents a gallon in midwest and obama paid to euthenize 1.25 million or so dairy cows to stop the price of milk from going negative across usa.

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Women have to be taught EVERY THING. They go to school to be captured.

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That's not true, dairy farming involves quite a lot of violence, including arguably rape (cows are chained to "rape racks" when they're to be bred by a bull), and veal production (cows must be bred frequently to keep them in production, most of the male offspring will be slaughtered).

Now these things are arguably no worse than any other aspect of livestock farming, but they do exist and they are an inherent part of milk production.

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These are the same people who protest against wool clothing because they think you kill the sheep to get wool. Fuckin amazing.

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I only drink raw milk from grass fed local cows. It's predictable that this vegtard would associate milk with a supermarket corporation, vegtards are dissassociated from the natural food supply.

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What they should really do if they want to stop factory farming is buy up all the farmland and kill off a large segment of the population by using a bad flu as the premise for forced injections that will vaccinate you from being alive.

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Who wants to create a new survivor TV show. You kidnap dumb hippies like these a d put them on an island with NOTHING. Anyone alive after 60 days wins. Anyone so much as touches a living thing and they're disqualified. Accidentally squash an ant while you're walking in brush... Too bad, it's still murder, poor ant babies will dies within 2 days with no ant parents.

I'd watch it to help catch cheaters or rather animal murderers.