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They are correct, if you ask a real Dairy Farmer
I truly hate all vegans and vegetarians, and sometimes go of my way to pester them with facts, but though milk is NOT murder, nor exploitation... it does have one strange VIOLENCE aspect to the act of dairy farming....
...SEPARATING NEWBORNS FROM MOTHERS
Calves of dairy cows are generally separated from their mothers within the first 24 hours after birth. The majority of the milk thus enters the food market and not the stomachs of the calves. ... To help achieve this volume, dairy cows are typically separated from their calves just a few hours after giving birth
from paper : Early separation of cow and calf has long-term effects on social behavior
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150428081801.htm
To get the MOST milk the mother is in audible distance of the pitiful crying newborn. The heart breaking crying makes the distressed mother PRODUCE EVEN MORE MILK than if nursing a milk guzzling calf.
This is indeed a act of violence against both creatures.
But milk makes pre-adult humans SMARTER and TALLER and without milk vegetarian leaning shitholes like India would be comprised of a billion retards due to lack of vitamin b-12. Not one plant on earth can produce vitamin b-12, and humans are a rare mammal that cannot create their own B-12.
a semi-factual PRO-SEPARATION propaganda page, packed with facts, possibly funded by a Milk Board, or scientists concerned with human IQ :
https://animalagalliance.org/separating-cows-and-calves-the-real-story/
That page does NOT talk about how they torment the mother to maximize milk production.
Milk and Cheese built the White Man's high IQ Civilization
...but crying baby calves boost milk production.
Prolactin release from nipple stimulation and milk draining creates a self-maintaining cycle in all mammals, even humans.
Muslim males suck on nursing mothers nipple more than any culture, historically, and SHARE NIPPLES with all their male friends invited to a dinner or to stay under a roof. I am not kidding. DEVOUT MUSLIMS FORCE WOMEN TO SHARE MILK WITH THEIR MALE BUDDIES. Allah says to Muhammad (Peace be unto Him), that any man who has suckled a woman's nipple for milk, is forever allowed to see her naked face inside her home, and becomes family. Its like a Jew law to trick God.
The first 3 days of milk goes to the calf, since it's colostrum. You could skip this, but it tastes different, is enormously important for the calf, and artificial colostrum is really expensive.
To get the MOST milk the mother is in audible distance of the pitiful crying newborn.
This is just stupid, and smells like bullshit hippie propaganda. Why go to all that work when you could just play audio of a crying calf over some speakers?
nil always mixes fact with fantasy.
Getting cows pregnant for the milk is legit, but the rest of it is waffle.
Ok, so they get the cows pregnant, half of them will calve males. What happens to the male calfs?
No matter what way you cut it, that's a LOT of male offspring that aren't producing anything for the farm, so they're gonna end up in a burger. Can't have milk without killing cattle.
do some homework. I provided some links. For 11,000 years europeans have separated calves keeping them crying NEARBY in audio range.
its fact.... For 11,000 years europeans have separated calves keeping them crying NEARBY in audio range.
Probably because 11,000 years ago they didn't have an iPod and speakers handy.
Just get a goat and milk it in the morning and before bed. No off spring torture. Mine still produces half a gallon+/day with her kids still nursing, and I can pull them at eight weeks, she will continue producing for two years before needing to breed again.
plus.. goats love people more than cows do, and goats act a lot smarter
Goats, like dogs, beg WHITE humans for assistance, using face mannerisms :
Goats, in science studies, are VERY RACIST and prefer Whites and shun and distrust NIGGERS , MUSLIMS, and people of color.
Goats instinctively shun brown skinned arabic Muslims, even if the goat is a both a male goat, and has no known history of animal rape by a Muslim.
Goats will gaze affectionately into your eyes, too. It's a bit disconcerting when you first get them, because you don't know how to figure out where they're looking. I have a few old ladies that will come and stand by me as long as I'm there, even lay down in a semi circle just to be near. They will even talk to you. They're incredibly smart and they do have extremely individual personalities. Even if you get one that is older and isn't friendly to humans, spending time around them they eventually decide they'd like pets, too. The hard earned ones are really rewarding.
Owning goats is very difficult at first. If I had known what I learned by the first year before the first goat, I wouldn't have ever gotten them. By the second, I wouldn't give them up for anything.
That's pretty good. I was thinking of doing sheep but that's a lot of milk. How's it taste?
Acquired "Goaty" taste. start with small very cold glasses.
Health Food stores sell it, pasteurized by law, but i would only buy FROZEN there to ensure freshness.
"Goaty" aroma is from 4-ethyloctanal and oxydizes on a airstream to 4-ethyloctanoic acid , a "goaty odor" along with Caproic acid
https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0960982214001407
Identification of an Olfactory Signal Molecule that Activates the Central Regulator of Reproduction in Goats:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2014.01.073
Also not mentioned is another more powerful and more famous goat smell :
hexanoic acid, also known as Caproic acid
"Caproic" is literally "Goat"
synthesis of goat ass odor : Making Hexanoic Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy4xeixw_X8
I do not know why that first paper I linked went out of its way to dismiss effect of goats emitting Caproic Acid and to focus on a sex hormone so much.
I've been told that every goat has it's own "flavor". The Nigerian dwarf is thick and creamy, sweet. The lamancha is about the same consistency as full fat cow milk, but also sweet. I've seen some people say their goat's milk tasted bucky, and that keeping bucks near the does will do that. I haven't experienced that problem but mine aren't together.
Not to mention, keeping a dairy bull is very dangerous thereby making dairies and homesteaders like my family to use artificial insemination as a means of conception. If you think about it, it's pretty rapey.
I truly hate all vegans and vegetarians, and sometimes go of my way to pester them with facts,
Go for it if you like, I used to be vegan, still a veggie.
To get the MOST milk the mother is in audible distance of the pitiful crying newborn. The heart breaking crying makes the distressed mother PRODUCE EVEN MORE MILK than if nursing a milk guzzling calf.
Interesting, I hadn't known that. Even without that though, most male calves will still be slaughtered. There nothing else they can do with them all. Also they inject them with all kinds of hormones which end up in the milk and do gods know what to us.
But milk makes pre-adult humans SMARTER and TALLER and without milk vegetarian leaning shitholes like India would be comprised of a billion retards due to lack of vitamin b-12. Not one plant on earth can produce vitamin b-12, and humans are a rare mammal that cannot create their own B-12.
This is true. There is one common non-animal source of B12 which is an algae called Spirulina. It grows in swamps in Mexico and the locals there used to eat it.
Allah says to Muhammad (Peace be unto Him), that any man who has suckled a woman's nipple for milk, is forever allowed to see her naked face inside her home, and becomes family. Its like a Jew law to trick God.
That's a fucking weird custom, but I think the meaning is more that "if you know them that well then you're part of the family." It was probably already a custom at the time he lived so he used it as his test of being family, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone would make up.
NO PLANT on earth produces useful B-12.
Spirulina has "meat" in it in the form of embedded bacteria, and of course Algae are in the plant kingdom, but technically they are not plants.
Cyanobacteria (Blue-green Algae): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
Bacteria and Cyanobacteria can of course make b-12, and eating wet hot compost from a garbage ditch, can keep you supplied with B-12 to prevent retardation. perhaps a few very foul pungent historic forms of pickling may allow enough proper b-12 generating bacteria. Sadly, no normal home made asian pickles not even kimchee have b-12 from plant matter, or bacteria, but from soy sauce addendums.Traditional home-made soybean-fermented foods such as Doenjang, Chungkookjang, and Gochujang were found to contain higher vitamin B12, if rotting for a full 10 months, and no factories ever do that, you would have to rot the material yourself. Tofu has 0.000 B-12 in it, I am talking about breeding colonies of bacteria for b-12.
NO PLANT on earth produces useful B-12.
Spirulina is Cyanobacteria
That's true, it's all produced by Bacteria, mostly in the bellies of ruminants.
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