This is one of the many problems that I have with christianity. Because it has its roots in judaism which has its roots in sacrifice, occultism and devil worship, christianity by extent has embedded within it the core tenets of the bullshit semites believed 10s of thousands of years ago.
This forbidden fruit alegory is one of those. If the christian god forbade adam and even from taking from the tree of knowledge then the christian god was really looking for a race of ignorant slaves. The cost to adam and eve is free will in exchange for not having to take responsibility for their lives. The devil, on the other hand, convinced eve to partake of the tree of knowledge and gain free will and independence. Adam and Eve gained free will at the cost of having to take responsibility for their lives.
What the story is really is about is the typical jewish inversion of the normal. What the jews did is basically label god as the devil and write a book that calls the devil god. The entire bible is written to convince you get back to what you were before partaking in the tree of knowledge: an unthinking unfeeling slave of god.
Everything else in the bible (except the embedded pagan stuff that are our ancient ways that we need to extract and begin to rebuild and revere) is the usual thing you get from jews: a bunch of bullshit to hide the truth of what the bible is really about.
Or, to put it another way, the semitic tribes are a deseased human species that idolizes stupidity, ignorance and submission to whomever is the most brutal dictator they can find. Only the semitic tribes can come up with bullshit like judaism, christianity and islam.
If the christian god forbade adam and even from taking from the tree of knowledge then the christian god was really looking for a race of ignorant slaves. The cost to adam and eve is free will in exchange for not having to take responsibility for their lives.
This is so wrong. If Adam and Eve did not have free will, then they would not have had the choice/ability to eat the fruit. If they did not have the choice to eat or not eat, then they would be the ignorant slave that you mention. What you describe is what Islam teaches, that people are ignorant slaves, and Allah is the master.
I accept the critique. Thanks for the perspective.
wow, a shockingly polite response on POAL! It is good to have intelligent conversations, thanks.
What we do know is that they were ignorant of good and evil prior to taking the fruit and punished for doing evil regardless... huge plot hole.
I am not so sure you can say that. They may not have known evil (i.e. they may not have actually committed sin), but they certainly knew there was at least one thing they could not do (i.e. eat the fruit of one tree). So they at least knew there were allowable actions, and forbidden actions. God specifically told them not to eat of the tree lest they surely die. This certainly shows they knew of the consequences of their actions, and implies an understanding of good and bad.
Also, when Adam was naming the animals, and then he finally got to meet Eve, he stated that at last he had met flesh of his flesh, bone of his bones. So Adam at least knew that bestiality was wrong, and that only Eve was a correct mate for him. This shows that Adam at least had a rudimentary understanding of right and wrong.
I think the tree is of The Knowledge of Good and Evil. Meaning that you know (i.e. have experienced, have acted out) both good and evil. It is through the choice of eating the fruit that they came to know evil, that is, experience evil through their own actions.
When referring to islam you're meaning that god is trying to keep his people as slaves?
The view of Islam is that Allah is the master, and people are his slaves. People do not have free will in Islam, and it is a totalitarian religion (this is why the democrats love Islam so much).
>Because it has its roots in judaism
Jews didn't even exist when the bible was first written. In fact, jews are just one of the many groups of people mentioned in the bible. So no, the bible is not about jews, at all.
They took the teachings as their own while elevating themselves to the one true race. Big surprise. In order to justify their conquest of the Levant.
Because it has its roots in judaism which has its roots in sacrifice, occultism and devil worship
Already I can tell you haven't read the Bible yourself. True "Israel" was always forbidden by God from all of these abominations. In fact when the Israelites chose to worship these idols God destroyed their land and allowed them to be taken by Babylonian captivity. God forbid them from worshipping gold and money and sacrificing children to false gods (Molech and Baal).
Judaism died in 70 AD. Those who are faithful to God either accepted Jesus as the Messiah, or rejected God. Many in the Palestine region today have rejected Jesus and therefore rejected God. They aren't practicing "Judaism" they are practicing a counterfeit. The Talmud wasn't inspired by God at all, it was a complete Satanic fabrication. The "Judaism" today is a complete hoax and farce because there is no such thing. Also, the "Israelites" were many tribes who God called his people, Judah was only one tribe through which Jesus was born. Many times the Jews would tell Jesus "We're descendants of Abraham" and Jesus would tell them they are of their father the Devil because true worship of God is not a DNA test or genetic line.
This forbidden fruit alegory is one of those.
Look at the state of the world today - you are witnessing the fruits of "free will." Everyone is their own "god" and has free will to reject god and do their own thing. How is that working out in the world? Is the world such a wonderful place? God commanded them not to eat of it, but never stopped them by force. Love doesn't coerce or force anything. Adam and Eve made their choice and God simply removed them from his presence. So what's the problem? Isn't that what humanity wanted? Why complain about God when sin has removed you from his presence - are you not happy?
Finally, don't you find it ironic that you're criticizing ignorance yet I can tell you haven't read the Bible? If you would be the antithesis of ignorant you would choose to read it for yourself rather than allowing your perceptions of it to derive from what other people have told you. The Satanic counterfeits of today's jews hate Jesus and hate Christians. Where you're incorrect is to relate them to the old Israelites and old Judah tribe from long ago when Judaism is now completely non-existent.
I appreciate the deep meditation on this. To confirm a few things:
I cannot claim to have any real undrestanding of the bible compared to Christians. I concede that.
I appreciate the details that I was not aware of.
I am an atheist. Honestly, we have done far more to destroy our own civilization than Christians even if you were to accept the dark ages were Christian smothering innovation (which it was not).
I accept the critique of my ignorance.
I was mostly commenting on the allegorical inversion that seems at the root of the story as it appears to me.
Over time I shall learn more.
I don’t see where in the Bible the “unthinking unfeeling slave of god” assumption can be cited. Also if you read the OT anytime the Hewbrews started integrating with other tribes and worshiping satanic idols and demonic entities and even sacrificing children God handed them over to their enemies and let all sorts of evils befall them until someone came along and brought them back to the original law.
The entire thing was a setup from the snake until the end to prove that we couldn’t ever be good enough to follow the rules on our own and thus needed a savior, but at the core all of reality as we know it is a theatrical world where evil was allowed so the son of God could be the hero to slay the dragon and save us all. It’s the ultimate Dad mode scenario, give his kid the ultimate trials and become the ultimate hero and then eventually rule the fully restored world.
Even in earthly human politics we can see that no government is ever effective or without flaws, the only viable option would be an authoritarian monarchy where the king is without evil or selfish intent and is fully good and righteous, thus we will never have stable or incorruptible long term government until a truly sinless king returns to earth.
The satan worshiping world controllers that we see today are not the same “Jews”, it’s the rulers and authorities owned by the devil himself, a synagogue of satan…
Romans 11:25,28,30-32 NIV [25] I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, [28] As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, [30] Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, [31] so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. [32] For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Ephesians 6:10-12 NIV [10] Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. [11] Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. [12] For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Also noteworthy, Satan wasn’t bluffing when he tempted Christ:
Luke 4:5-7 NIV [5] The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. [6] And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. [7] If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
And hence the rulers of earth are satan worshipping pedophiles…
I appreciate the sophisticated analysis. You actually made verses interesting to read.
Thanks!
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