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My kid is getting annoying with asking for a cell phone. She's 12. All the other kids do, in fact, have a cell phone. If we went any particular route, it would be a flip phone or something at best, but I am familiar with modding, so that is an option (say, to get a solid phone and then mod to lock-down/remove bloat).

Curious what others out there have done.

Edit: TMobile, would rather not get any "new" or phones on a loan/prepurchase. IMHO, she's not getting one at least until she's 13...

My kid is getting annoying with asking for a cell phone. She's 12. All the other kids do, in fact, have a cell phone. If we went any particular route, it would be a flip phone or something at best, but I am familiar with modding, so that is an option (say, to get a solid phone and then mod to lock-down/remove bloat). Curious what others out there have done. Edit: TMobile, would rather not get any "new" or phones on a loan/prepurchase. IMHO, she's not getting one at least until she's 13...

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[–] • 6 pts (edited )

I agree with the worst thing for a child and especially a girl is to have a cell phone or constant access to internet/social media. It leads to depression, liberalism, hating you and the rest of the family and sometimes (worst case) being sex trafficked.

It is not worth it. If you get one at all it needs to be as "dumb" as possible. No camera, no internet browser, set controls on text/sms... controls on the numbers they can call, etc.

Oh, and you now are going to need to occasionally search her room or the house. If she is this adamant on it, it is very likely that one of her friends will giver her their "old" phone. It does not need cell access to be damaging. Just being able to get on the WiFi is enough to get all of the garbage like TikTok or the other social media bullshit.

If you don't know how to check what devices have access to your wifi, figure out now and check it regularly and ban anything that you don't think should be there and see who screams first. If she comes to you and asks if there is a problem with the internet/wifi but if she has access to a laptop that is not having problems? She has a phone she is not telling you about.

[–] • 2 pts

It would be a dumb phone, flip phone with nothing but SMS and cellular. We'll probably just continue the "nope" for a few more years at least.

As for network, I run homebrewed pfSense with their wifi network already filtering out jewTube and the typical stuff; porn, malware, etc.

[–] • 2 pts

Good. You already know most if not everything I mentioned already.

Keep it up!

[–] • 1 pt

Just being able to get on the WiFi is enough to get all of the garbage like TikTok or the other social media bullshit.

Pretty easy to log into router and check DHCP leases and note any new devices.

[–] • 1 pt

It sure is, most people have no idea you can even log into their router or what a router is other than the thing that blinks and makes wifi work though.

[–] • 5 pts (edited )

Don't let your kid have a cellphone, especially girls.

Not only is it horrible for them, they will be inundated with jewish propaganda, including that nigger males are desirable. Young women want nothing more than to be popular and fit in. They are incredibly easy to manipulate, and cellphones are a portal directly into jewish debauchery.

If you have the means, put her in a school that doesn't allow cellphones where they are not normalized. Montessori schools are supposed to be decent. Homeschooling is also an option.

Associations between screen time and lower psychological well-being among children and adolescents: Evidence from a population-based study. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211335518301827]

Screen-time is associated with inattention problems in preschoolers: Results from the CHILD birth cohort study. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0213995

Effects of screentime on the health and well-being of children and adolescents: a systematic review of reviews. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/1/e023191

Excessive use of mobile devices and children's physical health. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hbe2.145

Association between screen time and children's performance on a developmental screening test. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2722666

[–] • 2 pts

Oh I am not for it all at, don't get me wrong. I am curious about those who have allowed it why and did they at least attempt to lock it down some. It would only be some sort of texting, no internet apps but it would have data.

thank you for the links - I knew screens to be a terrible thing and it is good to be reminded.

[–] • 4 pts

My jr high kid has a smartphone. It is 100% remotely monitored by me (non-COTS, my brother's doing who is a developer by trade and I trust).

I am aware of all the problems with kids having them. I considered all the options and decided the best course was to give it to him, talk to him regularly about dangers, propaganda, over use and dependence on devices, etc, and monitor his use unbeknownst to him to see if he is listening to me.

He can't have social media, his time using it beyond text and call is restricted, and we talk about why.

I decided that was better than having him grow up iscolated from it, probably still be using devices elsewhere cause kids and teens all sneak around, and then not have helped guide him him through it growing up and him be more susceptible when on his own.

It's worked reasonably well so far.

[–] • 2 pts

None of them will have their own smartphones until they are 16. Dumbphones when they are 12. They can use "family" smartphones and tablets in the house or places where we also are present from any age.

Treat smartphone rules the same as you would with guns. The danger with them is not physical, but psychological.

[–] • 1 pt

Yes. For tracking. They make kids watches too.

[–] • 1 pt

Both of my kids did when they were that age. 1 had a flip, one had an early iPhone, both gifts from the aunt. Later on, we bought them Moto's (I think when both make it to high school, or there abouts). Had to have them since wife and I both worked and had to leave them alone at home until we got home

[–] • 1 pt

1 of my sons does...but he's 21 and he's had the number since he was 17 or 18.

She doesn't need a phone. She wants one. If you are able to get her a dumb/feature phone, go that route. Explain to her it is only for calling family and emergencies. The phone I had gotten my son was able to be password locked to calling numbers in the contact list.

[–] • 1 pt

My kids only got phones when they entered high school, but they only had text and calling. Sure, kids made fun of them, but all of those kids are doing fuck all with their lives and getting very fat and their parents tell me I'm "lucky" to have my kids end up being great people (as if it wasn't a lot of work and teaching them how to be able to do everything for themselves). Social media will rot your daughters brain like porn will rot a boys mind.

[–] • 1 pt

Buy Smart phone at age 12 Watched diligently for two years checking history app etc now he’s in high school and active with friends and sports so I’m not to concerned But the tracking app stays on I did plenty of fucked up shit without a cell phone he’s never getting away with when I have a tracker on him

[–] • 0 pt

My kids have Flip phones. So, no social media or internet. I'll keep it that way until they are 16 or older, once they get a job and can pay for their phone bill i'll allow them to get their own phones, however i'll have them locked down so go damn tight that they will want their flip phones back im sure of it...